Another woman murdered on our streets.

[Saphire]

I do find it funny.

If a man makes an assumption about a woman, if she is wearing revealing clothing or wearing to much makeup she can be classed as, lets say "Cheap".
Totally unacceptable by todays standards.

Yet a women calling all men toxic, violent, sexist and possibly rapists.
Perfectly acceptable.

Has that happened in this thread?

 

[hell2bwith76]

Try teaching little boys to respect everyone, that would include women.

Power isn't wrong in itself, to sexually force someone because you have the power and they dont....is rape.

That's simple to understand, you are (and have done throughout) twisted what has been said.

So have my words been twisted throughout too.Except that i have`nt called any of the nasty name callers such degrading names .

 

[hell2bwith76]

That's not true.
I don't know anyone here yet, have no idea of their likes and dislikes, but the posts I have read on this thread alone by the female posters are well balanced, not man hating.

You clearly have set in stone ideas about why women act and dress in a certain way, you however are wrong.
See the pic above that demonstrates that...and that is just ONE pic of ONE woman who was brutally murdered as she minded her own business.

There are thousands more women every year who are sexually ill treated by men, they are not 'asking for it'....no matter what clothes they happen to be wearing.

Oh yes ,by coincedence i just read a news item on the NET news . It was about a male who strangled his lover whilst having sex. Of course he didn`t mean to but has been sentenced and there is an appal going on to increase his sentence. The weird thing is that he claims that she asked him to strangle her during sex ! and an ex partner of hers ,as a witness ,says that she did indulge in that fantasy.
What`s your call on that then ?.

 

[hell2bwith76]

That's not true.
I don't know anyone here yet, have no idea of their likes and dislikes, but the posts I have read on this thread alone by the female posters are well balanced, not man hating.

You clearly have set in stone ideas about why women act and dress in a certain way, you however are wrong.
See the pic above that demonstrates that...and that is just ONE pic of ONE woman who was brutally murdered as she minded her own business.

There are thousands more women every year who are sexually ill treated by men, they are not 'asking for it'....no matter what clothes they happen to be wearing.

You didn`t look at the photos from a very early post on this thread then ? They were pulled of course as they showed a lot of young women walking around in very limited dress .
Nobody ,even me ,said they are "asking" to be sexually assaulted but why do women consider that wearing less clothes is just fashion and men don`t even notice it ?
Get real !

 

[hell2bwith76]

Has that happened in this thread?

in a word YES !! read the words not what your brain shows .

 

[Whiskers]

Keep digging that hole old bean

He obviously has a very high opinion of himself the bird brain

 

[Saphire]

Oh yes ,by coincedence i just read a news item on the NET news . It was about a male who strangled his lover whilst having sex. Of course he didn`t mean to but has been sentenced and there is an appal going on to increase his sentence. The weird thing is that he claims that she asked him to strangle her during sex ! and an ex partner of hers ,as a witness ,says that she did indulge in that fantasy.
What`s your call on that then ?.

Did she also ask him to strangle her to death? The woman can't defend herself now can she....she is dead.

You are floundering now, as your last few posts show.

But in a nutshell... I haven't called you any nasty or degrading names yet you have twisted some of my words.
No one here has branded ALL men as 'toxic, violent, sexist and possibly rapist'.
If women choose to wear revealing clothes and men choose to notice that....so what?


I think that covers it.

 

[Saphire]

Wayne Cousins, Sarah Everards murderer, has been sentenced today to a whole life order..
No possibility of parole or release.

Good riddance.

 

[Whiskers]

Not all men are sickos just the odd few

 

[Saphire]

Not all men are sickos just the odd few

True, and no one has even come close to saying that here.

 

[Whiskers]

True, and no one has even come close to saying that here.

You can't tar everyone with the same brush

 

[hell2bwith76]

True, and no one has even come close to saying that here.

And about time too ! This is an example of women being "un equal" to men eh ?

 

[hell2bwith76]

Did she also ask him to strangle her to death? The woman can't defend herself now can she....she is dead.

You really are plunging the depths now eh ?. Who said that she "asked " to be strangled to death . She is just one example of how men get total blame when ,in this case , the lover asked him to be a sicko ! Am i right or wrong ?. Had the evidence been that she asked him NOT to strangle her things might have been different .
Btw ,each was married but not to the person they were with at the time .

Right ,that Couzens bloke has his life taken now . Has anything been learned by women or Government to prevent it ever happening again ? That was the aim of the OP eh ?.

 

[Saphire]

You really are plunging the depths now eh ?. Who said that she "asked " to be strangled to death . She is just one example of how men get total blame when ,in this case , the lover asked him to be a sicko ! Am i right or wrong ?. Had the evidence been that she asked him NOT to strangle her things might have been different .
Btw ,each was married but not to the person they were with at the time .

Right ,that Couzens bloke has his life taken now . Has anything been learned by women or Government to prevent it ever happening again ? That was the aim of the OP eh ?.

You have plunged the depths throughout this thread, I was merely replying to your post about a man who strangled his girlfriend to death, then apparently came up with a lame excuse to try and justify himself.

Odd that you say Couzens has had his life taken....he is the one who has taken a life.
Odd too that you ask have women or government learnt anything to prevent men murdering.

Do you not think it's violent men who need to be taught to keep their hands off innocent women?

Hopefully the full life sentence will be a deterrent, I somehow doubt it though.

 

[Moriarty]

Perhaps now would be a good time to throw in the "Crime of Passion" argument.

Is it a valid defence morally if not legally?

The case of Cecile Brossard back in 2013 springs to mind.

Cecile Brossard case in 2013, Crime of Passion a valid defence ?

 

[Saphire]

Perhaps now would be a good time to throw in the "Crime of Passion" argument.

Is it a valid defence morally if not legally?

The case of Cecile Brossard back in 2013 springs to mind.

Cecile Brossard case in 2013, Crime of Passion a valid defence ?

Was that a crime of passion?

From what I read she was mad because he wouldn't give her a million dollars.

 

[hell2bwith76]

You have plunged the depths throughout this thread, I was merely replying to your post about a man who strangled his girlfriend to death, then apparently came up with a lame excuse to try and justify himself.

Odd that you say Couzens has had his life taken....he is the one who has taken a life.
Odd too that you ask have women or government learnt anything to prevent men murdering.

Do you not think it's violent men who need to be taught to keep their hands off innocent women?

Hopefully the full life sentence will be a deterrent, I somehow doubt it though.

You really think that violent men can be taught "not " to be violent ?. You are dreaming .

 

[hell2bwith76]

Was that a crime of passion?

From what I read she was mad because he wouldn't give her a million dollars.

Ruth Ellis anyone? Oh i forget ,women are not violent.

 

[Moriarty]

Was that a crime of passion?

From what I read she was mad because he wouldn't give her a million dollars.

French Law up until the 1970's allowed for Crimes of Passion to be viewed as a temporary mental breakdown.
Many people have tried to use it as a defence since then though.

In the Cecile Brossard case the test was whether speech can cause a "Temporary Loss of Reason" (Which it can)
However in this case she was found guilty and sentenced to 8 1/2 years.
Mainly because she shot him first between the eyes, then twice in the chest and finished him off with a point blank shot to the temple.
Cleaned up the crime scene and fled to Australia.

The case didnt take into account her terrible childhood, the abuse she suffered at the hands of her mother who attempted to kill herself and the children, the sexual abuse she suffered from other family members, the list goes on.

The 4 year relationship she had with the victim was an emotional crutch for a very unstable women.
The money was promised to her, she did not "Ask" for it, he actually placed it into her account then blocked the transfer.
He was a manipulator who abused a women to the point where she snapped.

But did he deserve to die for it, debatable.

That is why the "Crime of Passion" or in UK Law "Provocation" should be re-examined, diminished responsibility is often won only by those who can afford the best specialists.

Just as Family Violence cases should always have to take into account a "Temporary Loss of Reason" clause.
However, this has become much rarer these days as it is time consuming and costly.


I know of 2 FV cases which happened to people I know.

A woman punches her partner during an argument, he see's red and slaps her across the face.
Due to more upper body strength, he breaks her occipital bone and blinds her in one eye.
Yes that is clearly a VAW (Violence Against Women) case due to the asymmetry of the injuries.
It is however also viewed as a FV (Family Violence) 50/50 case as violence was involved on both sides.

Take another case, a man slaps his partner during an argument and she grabs a kitchen knife and stabs him.
The case did actually take place in the kitchen for reference.
The statistics still classify this as a VAW case as the man struck the partner.
As above violence took place on both sides, so FV see's it as a 50/50 case.

Neither case was pre-meditated, in both cases alcohol and recreational drugs were involved.
Both could be seen as self defence, both could be seen as reactive to partner aggression, both could be see as a "Crime of Passion" as both arguments were about accusations of cheating (which in one case was true).

Should either of the cases have been charged, should both?

The reason I included the VAW and FV statistics for the 2 cases above is that those are the statistics which are reported in Government white papers, the media etc.
Domestic Violence Against Women statistics are always skewed when compared to Family Violence statistics which typically sit at 50/50 across gender.
What differs is the severity not the prevalence.

Just applying the law in Family Violence cases is sometimes not enough, sometimes a moral judgement must also be made toward state of mind of the perpetrator at the time, as in the Cecile Brossard case.

That however is a whole other argument.

 

[hell2bwith76]

French Law up until the 1970's allowed for Crimes of Passion to be viewed as a temporary mental breakdown.
Many people have tried to use it as a defence since then though.

In the Cecile Brossard case the test was whether speech can cause a "Temporary Loss of Reason" (Which it can)
However in this case she was found guilty and sentenced to 8 1/2 years.
Mainly because she shot him first between the eyes, then twice in the chest and finished him off with a point blank shot to the temple.
Cleaned up the crime scene and fled to Australia.

The case didnt take into account her terrible childhood, the abuse she suffered at the hands of her mother who attempted to kill herself and the children, the sexual abuse she suffered from other family members, the list goes on.

The 4 year relationship she had with the victim was an emotional crutch for a very unstable women.
The money was promised to her, she did not "Ask" for it, he actually placed it into her account then blocked the transfer.
He was a manipulator who abused a women to the point where she snapped.

But did he deserve to die for it, debatable.

That is why the "Crime of Passion" or in UK Law "Provocation" should be re-examined, diminished responsibility is often won only by those who can afford the best specialists.

Just as Family Violence cases should always have to take into account a "Temporary Loss of Reason" clause.
However, this has become much rarer these days as it is time consuming and costly.


I know of 2 FV cases which happened to people I know.

A woman punches her partner during an argument, he see's red and slaps her across the face.
Due to more upper body strength, he breaks her occipital bone and blinds her in one eye.
Yes that is clearly a VAW (Violence Against Women) case due to the asymmetry of the injuries.
It is however also viewed as a FV (Family Violence) 50/50 case as violence was involved on both sides.

Take another case, a man slaps his partner during an argument and she grabs a kitchen knife and stabs him.
The case did actually take place in the kitchen for reference.
The statistics still classify this as a VAW case as the man struck the partner.
As above violence took place on both sides, so FV see's it as a 50/50 case.

Neither case was pre-meditated, in both cases alcohol and recreational drugs were involved.
Both could be seen as self defence, both could be seen as reactive to partner aggression, both could be see as a "Crime of Passion" as both arguments were about accusations of cheating (which in one case was true).

Should either of the cases have been charged, should both?

The reason I included the VAW and FV statistics for the 2 cases above is that those are the statistics which are reported in Government white papers, the media etc.
Domestic Violence Against Women statistics are always skewed when compared to Family Violence statistics which typically sit at 50/50 across gender.
What differs is the severity not the prevalence.

Just applying the law in Family Violence cases is sometimes not enough, sometimes a moral judgement must also be made toward state of mind of the perpetrator at the time, as in the Cecile Brossard case.

That however is a whole other argument.

There are many more cases like this and it`s only obvious cases of battering or murder which grab the media attention.
I think that females have far more equality now than ,say,20 years ago and still they scream for more. A line has to be drawn some point which uses the differences between the sexes ,in my opinion.