The torture and murder of 6 year old Arthur.

[LadyOnArooftop]

Yes, These murders are happening all the time but what made this one stand out for me was they had sound recordings (i don't know how, I couldn't watch the full report) of the poor 6 year old all alone, crying out "Why does no one love me?" it was heart-wrenching, rocked me to the core. I can't imagine what that jury went through, having to listen to weeks of evidence. It will stay with them for life.

 

[Saphire]

Children are being butchered all over the UK on a daily if not weekly basis. Whether it be because of knife crime or a parent etc.

The MSM may well be the pied piper that leads public outrage on this particular occasion but the underlying causes are NOT being tackled and in a society where 11 years of austerity has stripped services to the bone.

I have no doubt the tory regime will find token scapegoats but it certainly won't be austerity and their policies.

The woman overseeing this case was not suffering from any austerity measures, she was very well paid before she left, she now enjoys a hefty pension, and her track record, even before she took the position of director of childrens services at Solihull, seems to be abysmal.

Social workers were aware that Arthur was being treated badly. His grandmother, an ex nurse, has spoken out saying she made them aware of her worries, and since Arthur was three years old, social services seemed to do nothing to help him.

I don't think investigating into why this was allowed to happen, and wanting answers as to who didn't do the job they were being paid for, is looking for scapegoats.

 

[Saphire]

I agree, but has anyone asked?

Do the sins of the father pass down to the sins of the son, or the mother to the daughter?
How do we know.

Anyway, it's a hypothetical question, my bad.

It's an interesting subject and I think lot's of research has been done on the nature v nurture questions.

 

[SamBally]

I don't think investigating into why this was allowed to happen, and wanting answers as to who didn't do the job they were being paid for, is looking for scapegoats.

It absolutely will scapegoat overworked lowly paid social workers and the managers who oversaw them will no doubt walk away scot-free or with a slap on the wrist. One Margaret Hodge who has just announced her retirement, the woman who saw of Corbyn, the woman lauded by the press and celebrated as a "champion of children" as Child Minister in the Blair regime also oversaw a far worse situation in the 80s and it didn't do her any harm did it...

Most people have absolutely no idea how social services and other groups work. They wrongly assume it is merely a case of people not doing their job. The same people who sneer at social work as a non-job then hound them when the flawed system buckles under the strain. They are processing a bombardment of daily information that they have to then process and prioritize and make calculated decisions about. Supervising daily or not, numerous cases and 100 staff can NOT do the work of 500 it is just not possible in ANY job.

Of course, the ghoul MSM have sensationalized the tragic death of this young boy it sells copy and puts £ notes in the pockets of billionaires. The same ghouls who hacked the mobile phones of murdered girls.

 

[BlackMagicBabeXx]

I had a relative who used to be a prison guard in a womens prison about 30 years ago.

In male prisons rapists and child abusers have a very bad time and the guards just happen to be absent when it happens.

It's even worse in womens prisons for child abusers apparently, the sh** women can do to each other, damn.

Many serious cons have families and dont take kindly to perverts or abusers, I doubt it has changed much.

They are going to need eyes in the back of thier heads for decades.

They now put sex offenders, child killers, and pedophiles on rule 43 away from the rest of the prison population so they dont get attacked by the other prisoners. so they are pretty much protected unfortunately.

 

[Saphire]

It absolutely will scapegoat overworked lowly paid social workers and the managers who oversaw them will no doubt walk away scot-free or with a slap on the wrist. One Margaret Hodge who has just announced her retirement, the woman who saw of Corbyn, the woman lauded by the press and celebrated as a "champion of children" as Child Minister in the Blair regime also oversaw a far worse situation in the 80s and it didn't do her any harm did it...

Most people have absolutely no idea how social services and other groups work. They wrongly assume it is merely a case of people not doing their job. The same people who sneer at social work as a non-job then hound them when the flawed system buckles under the strain. They are processing a bombardment of daily information that they have to then process and prioritize and make calculated decisions about. Supervising daily or not, numerous cases and 100 staff can NOT do the work of 500 it is just not possible in ANY job.

Of course, the ghoul MSM have sensationalized the tragic death of this young boy it sells copy and puts £ notes in the pockets of billionaires. The same ghouls who hacked the mobile phones of murdered girls.

I don't mean for one minute to cast blame on all social workers, I know that, like teachers, their hands are often tied preventing them from following out their instincts.
I know also that, like the police, the NHS for eg, they are frequently overworked and understaffed.

I singled out the director of children's services in Solihull, she has walked away well paid, well pensioned and scot-free too, she retired 3 months after Arthurs murder.

Many social workers working with vulnerable kids dedicate their lives to trying to help, sadly some fall short, I personally knew one, and her lack of care towards the vulnerable was abysmal.
Arthurs grandmother , and other relatives, alerted social workers several times, they, and also the police, apparently called to check on the childs wellbeing, (he was heavily bruised after being used as a punchbag it seems) but social workers reported back there was no cause for concern and the house was clean and tidy....for Gods sake. This went on for three years.

Arthur was also deprived from seeing his extended family who loved him, he deteriorated....and the next time his maternal gran saw him he was fighting for life in intensive care.

People involved with Arthurs care should rightly be investigated.
And for every teacher and neighbour who suspected this lad was being cruelly treated, shame on them too for doing sweet sod all.

 

[SamBally]

And for every teacher and neighbour who suspected this lad was being cruelly treated, shame on them too for doing sweet sod all.

That's the REAL problem, isn't it. Countless people must have known or suspected this child was being abused. We all have a duty of care. Scapegoating social workers does not address 11 years of austerity which has resulted in such an uncaring, don't give a sh*t, society. All while shithawks make videos of violent attacks for the voyeuristic Daily Mail audience, which pay for them, and rather than helping the actual victim.

A child is murdered close to every single week in a domestic setting in the UK. Child abuse has rocketed after 11 years of tory austerity. Child poverty has rocketed. The voices in the MSM wailing hysterically now were absent previously.

Any investigation will have such narrow perimeters, deliberately so, that nothing will be learned at all. Proven time and time again by previous "investigations". There will be scapegoats on the bottom rungs of the ladder and which will satisfy those thirsting for revenge now but it WON'T change a thing.

 

[Saphire]

This could be good news...

The couple who killed six-year-old Arthur Labinjo-Hughes will have their sentences reviewed after claims they are too lenient.
Emma Tustin was jailed for 29 years on Friday for murder and child cruelty and Arthur's father, Thomas Hughes, was given 21 years for his manslaughter.
The Attorney General's Office said the jail terms will be reviewed to "determine whether they were too low".
It comes after Tory MP Julian Knight said the sentences were too lenient.

 

[Saphire]

I find this online petition to be utterly pathetic, any thoughts?

IT'S TOO F***ING LATE NOW. Where was all the love and care for him when he was alive?

Six-year old Arthur Labinjo-Hughes was cruelly tortured, neglected and murdered at the hands of his sadistic father and step-mother in Solihull, West Midlands (UK). He still remains unburied in the hospital mortuary.

The unbearable suffering felt by this young boy in his short life has touched the nation; breaking so many hearts along the way.

The UK government can pass a vote to hold a state funeral (usually held for monarchs or people of national significance).

Arthur is of national significance. He represents all the children who have no voice or power to stop their abuse and who are let down and not protected by the system. We should all pay our respects and show him that he is seen, heard and loved and that his death will not be in vain.

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

To be perfectly honest, most online petitions are utterly pathetic, but this one even more so

 

[Saphire]

To be perfectly honest, most online petitions are utterly pathetic, but this one even more so

There is another online petition that imo is a good one.
To keep the two monsters in jail for life...I have signed that one, even though I seldom do sign online petitions.

Not sure if it's allowed to be linked on here, but it's easy to find if you google.

 

[Altair]

Bring back STOCKS. So we can all throw stuff at them. (Like big heavy stones)...While they are in Jail they are protected and get 3 square meals a day and cost us money. Grrr.

 

[Moriarty]

It's an interesting subject and I think lot's of research has been done on the nature v nurture questions.

It has, the problem is that the arguments are counter intuitive.

 

[Saphire]

It has, the problem is that the arguments are counter intuitive.

So do you have an opinion
Do you think badness is in the genes, or does 'give me a child till he is seven and I will show you the man', fit more in line with your way of thinking?

 

[Moriarty]

So do you have an opinion
Do you think badness is in the genes, or does 'give me a child till he is seven and I will show you the man', fit more in line with your way of thinking?

It's both.
In my opinion.

Nature is pre-disposed to flight/fight/f*ck/freeze.
We socialise those traits out of people with parenting and education.

Take the least controversial, you have to take lessons and a driving test to drive a car, so you don't "freeze" and thus cause an accident when sh*t goes south.
Your in charge of a 1-5 ton machine that can kill people very easily.

You have to be educated to do it responsibly in a social society.

It's the same with the other 3 basic traits.

It's simplistic I know, but for now it answers the question.

 

[Saphire]

As soon as we learn to walk and talk, babies show instinctive behaviour for survival.
I personally think nurture would have more effect on how we turn out...young kids learn from example, I can't really believe in a bad gene that's inherited.

 

[Moriarty]

As soon as we learn to walk and talk, babies show instinctive behaviour for survival.
I personally think nurture would have more effect on how we turn out...young kids learn from example, I can't really believe in a bad gene that's inherited.

Not a follower of Nietzsche then?
Dont believe that darkness exists in every persons phychology?

If you want to follow that up, look into the "Disgust" reaction and how it's used.
Psychologically it's one of our most powerful defence mechinisms.
We us it to identify rotten food, death, decay, it's a to defend ourselves from the "Unclean", the risk of disease.

Then bring it forward to the 20th century and see how the Jews were looked on in the 1930's, with disgust.
It was propoganda that instilled disgust at them that allowed the holocaust.

That allowed removal of guilt for ones own actions and instilled fear of the "Other", people were brainwashed into thinking they were "Cleaning" the nation.
Anything is possible when people have that belief.

Bring this forward to today, who's to blame for Covid?
The "Unvaxxed", the "Unclean".

Life and politics are cyclic

 

[Saphire]

People were taught to hate Jews, Just as they are taught to hate anyone...no young child looks at another and hates them because of their colour or their religion.

I believe everyone can have a dark side....I just dont believe it's inherited, as in, your father was a horrible man, a child beater, a woman abuser, so the son must have that tendency also.

 

[Moriarty]

People were taught to hate Jews, Just as they are taught to hate anyone...no young child looks at another and hates them because of their colour or their religion.

I believe everyone can have a dark side....I just dont believe it's inherited, as in, your father was a horrible man, a child beater, a woman abuser, so the son must have that tendency also.

It's not that it's inherited, its inherent.

Big difference.

It's as natural as having eyes, ears, a brain.

Every person is capable of extreme violence given the right circumstances.
Psychological conditioning changes what those circumstances are.

 

[Moriarty]

Damn, Im being slow tonight, we agree..
Kinda.