racism

[Moriarty]

Racism is fear.
In many circumstances I can understand why it happens.
People are afraid.

Lets take 2 families, both deeply religous, a White Christian family and a Middle Eastern Muslim family.
They have either a boy or a girl who fall in love with each other across the religous ideological divide.
How does that play out with their religions?

Well that depends on which side the son or daughter is from.

It's simple differentiations like that which alienate people.
The reactions could be from simple disavowment right the way up to honour killings.

Who is right, ideologically?
Who is right fundamentally?
Who is right democratically?

Freedom still dictates action, it all depends on what is ones measure of freedom.

 

[Chip_TheViking]

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[ladymuck]

I think the word 'racism' is over-used. One of the problems is that if a minority is criticized for any reason, they immediately assume it's because of their skin colour or whatever. This keeps happening with certain politicians. The situation in the Middle East has brought out divisions in our society and also the attitude of certain sections of British citizens. This is something we need to be seriously concerned about and people need to be able to discuss this freely without being dismissed as racists.

 

[Confused_Fred]

The topic of racism is indeed complex and often evokes strong emotions and reactions. While it's important to have open and honest discussions about issues related to race and ethnicity, it's equally crucial to approach these conversations with sensitivity and empathy.

It's true that the term "racism" can sometimes be overused or misapplied, leading to misunderstandings and defensiveness. At the same time, it's essential to recognize that racism, in its various forms, continues to exist in many societies and can have significant negative impacts on individuals and communities.

When discussing sensitive topics such as race, it's important to listen actively, acknowledge diverse perspectives, and strive to create a respectful and inclusive dialogue. This includes recognizing and addressing systemic inequalities and biases that may perpetuate racism and discrimination.

Promoting education, empathy, and understanding can help foster meaningful conversations about race and ethnicity while also challenging stereotypes and prejudices. By promoting mutual respect and empathy, we can work towards building more inclusive and equitable societies where everyone feels valued and respected, regardless of their race or ethnicity.

 

[A_Son_of_God]

I think the word 'racism' is over-used. One of the problems is that if a minority is criticized for any reason, they immediately assume it's because of their skin colour or whatever. This keeps happening with certain politicians. The situation in the Middle East has brought out divisions in our society and also the attitude of certain sections of British citizens. This is something we need to be seriously concerned about and people need to be able to discuss this freely without being dismissed as racists.

Yeah, I agree.
Racism of itself - thinking a person is better than others because of their race, or that a person is worse or less than others because of their race - that is my idea of racism. But I don't think - unless it is done deliberately to harass people of a specific race - that finding humour in people saying the wrong thing because of not knowing the language is racism. We laugh when our kids say funny things. Do we hate them when they do it? No. So laughing because something sounds, or is said in a funny or unusual way to us may be quite humourous. I don't agree that that is always racism. In fact, in most cases, I don't think it is.

Also, if someone calls me something offensive because I'm of a certain ethinicity (Pom, Skip, snowflake - when it used to mean a white person), then it would be silly for me to say "It's okay for me to use it, because I am of that ethnicity". Why? Because if it is the word that is offensive, then EVERYONE should not use the word. Separating the word for one ethnicity and not another is racism of itself.

There are two sides. The unreasonable who make rules on everything, and damn everyone to hell for something, and then there are the extreme "Freedom of speech" people who just want to abuse people under the guise of free speech. These are both extreme. There is reasonableness that is required, but in this political world, it won't change. Well, it might change, backwards and forwards, but won't be fixed.

Additionally, acknowledging differences in race is necessary. Imagine the joys of knowing by looking at people that we can see their origin of their family line, and see crossovers and so on.

We're all equal as humans. We're also unique as humans. Both are blessings.

 

[ladymuck]

In school, most of us were subject to name-calling because of our physical appearance...carrot-top...specky-4eyes, etc. Unpleasant but we just accepted it. If a boy was effeminate he was nicknamed Primrose or Nancy-boy. A black girl was called Topsy. It was just part of growing up. Since when did everyone become so ultra-sensitive?

 

[Confused_Fred]

The Smithsonian National Museum of Natural History has listed at least 21 human species that are recognized by most scientists.

Where did they all go?

Well the simple answer is we butcher them all long ago. In the last hundred years we've butchered more than 400 million people as a species. It proves beyond all doubt we are willing to wipe out ethnic groups for pleasure.

Name calling is the start of that process, first we label and then we destroy.

 

[Moriarty]

It's actually very simple.
I have met white ideologists who want a white state, just as I have met blacks who want the same.
I also have spoken to both Sunni and Shia, they have a different idea of acceptance, by domination.
Replace the white race with the brown, or indoctrinate the white race with self believed superiority.

Tis laughable on all sides.
In WW2 the Americans thought themselves superior to the Japanese, hence lost many thousands of troops to idiocy.
Mathematics and literature were born in the Middle East.
Yet what do westerners see them as, Camel Jockeys.

People do not understand histoy and their little part in it.

 

[fontaine]

Depends doesn't it.. if someone is racist behind closed doors and doesn't racially abuse people then they're entitled to dislike people from other races.
However if someone is being abusive using the P word, W word and N word in a derogatory manner then its an issue.
As for people swearing, we're all adults on here and swearing is allowed so that's a none issue. Abuse will always happen online no matter where you are.

No *** will stop me swearing

 

[Chip_TheViking]

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[Chip_TheViking]

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[Moriarty]

I'm still confused as to what the "P" word is I know the "N" word means Nigger.
racism has a definition, which is it has to be used in a derogatory or harmful way, towards an individual, so saying Nigger isn't racist
saying "you nigger" is.
when society bans a word from being used altogether that's a bad thing.
for example I could be black & say to my "homie" - hey my nigger how's sh**?
then again Snoop dogg/immortal technique & the like can use the word "nigger" freely in their raps/art, because the word alone isn't racist.

a good example is I know a few black people on this site, would I call them nigger? even friendly?
NO because I'm not a racist bastard!
if they knew me in the flesh I probably would call them nigger cos I do with the black friends I have now!
with no issue AND IM WHITE! and they accept it they're my nigga's ya know?
still wanna know what the "P" word is

Why does it matter?
I find it curious that it is somehow acceptable for me to have a black friend and call him whatever I deem to be right.
I do have a Black friend, you know what I call him, Mick.. because thats his name.
Nothing fancy, he calls me English Knobhead.. but thats ok.. He doesn't, its a joke.

I find it so funny that people tend to grasp ideas without any real understanding of history.

 

[kiltladdie]

Racism: mostly the insecure or lowest of the low trying to look down on people

 

[TheBabayaga]

Racism: mostly the insecure or lowest of the low trying to look down on people

Through Ignorance as a child, remember hating or being racist towards a certain group [ soon realised and grew out of it ]..but I remember the hatred required to sustain that ignorance, not a pleasant state of mind body and soul..and yes I agree, it is almost always through trying to tranfer insecurities to others.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I read back over this thread and it really frks me off.

You all need a good slap.

Multiculturalism failed in the UK and I will tell you why.

When the immigrants community moves in, the white one moved out. Before the days of the min wage, immigrants would cut wages and increase housing costs in an area. I remember when the UK open its borders to the EU back in 2002. About 2 million move to the UK from the EU in 18 months. Wages took a real hit in construction and hospitality..... rents increased.

Back in the 1950's it was the same. You hear people arrived in the UK from places like Jamaica to take up jobs people here didn't want to do. That's untrue, they took jobs people here couldn't afford to take.

The ripple effect was lower wages in all sections of society and increased rents and house prices. Its the reason home ownership today is lower than in 1998. In real terms wages are lower than 1995.

And we should all learn to love those who did this too us? I don't think so !!

 

[A_Son_of_God]

I read back over this thread and it really frks me off.

You all need a good slap.

Multiculturalism failed in the UK and I will tell you why.

When the immigrants community moves in, the white one moved out. Before the days of the min wage, immigrants would cut wages and increase housing costs in an area. I remember when the UK open its borders to the EU back in 2002. About 2 million move to the UK from the EU in 18 months. Wages took a real hit in construction and hospitality..... rents increased.

Back in the 1950's it was the same. You hear people arrived in the UK from places like Jamaica to take up jobs people here didn't want to do. That's untrue, they took jobs people here couldn't afford to take.

The ripple effect was lower wages in all sections of society and increased rents and house prices. Its the reason home ownership today is lower than in 1998. In real terms wages are lower than 1995.

And we should all learn to love those who did this too us? I don't think so !!

The thing is mate, is we have "globalisation", but what that means ultimately is that the third world countries that we take advantage of to produce cheap materials as businesses so we can maximise profit when selling to our locals was always going to only be a temporary fix. Eventually, when they're producing, they're going to want a fair cut. It is the system that is wrong, not the individuals who work. Yet, people wish to continue voting for this system, so they reap what they sow. Humans are not in the best place to rule over others, due to these factors that have a short-term benefit at the cost of later ones. In fact, it's evil if they foresee it and instil it on the people.

 

[kiltladdie]

I read back over this thread and it really frks me off.

You all need a good slap.

Multiculturalism failed in the UK and I will tell you why.

When the immigrants community moves in, the white one moved out. Before the days of the min wage, immigrants would cut wages and increase housing costs in an area. I remember when the UK open its borders to the EU back in 2002. About 2 million move to the UK from the EU in 18 months. Wages took a real hit in construction and hospitality..... rents increased.

Back in the 1950's it was the same. You hear people arrived in the UK from places like Jamaica to take up jobs people here didn't want to do. That's untrue, they took jobs people here couldn't afford to take.

The ripple effect was lower wages in all sections of society and increased rents and house prices. Its the reason home ownership today is lower than in 1998. In real terms wages are lower than 1995.

And we should all learn to love those who did this too us? I don't think so !!

The UK is one of the world’s richest countries.
Where is all the money?

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Well the answer that one is simple: If you move to the UK and take a low paying job, you can still claim UC for family who don't live with you.

Child Benefit if you move to the UK

Child Benefit if you've moved to the UK from abroad - who qualifies and which countries have an agreement with the UK

www.gov.uk

So if you move to the UK from France or Italy , you can claim all the gov benefits even if your wife and kids aren't here.

Does that make any sense to anyone?

 

[kiltladdie]

What question are you replying to?

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

You asked where the money was going.

I will add to this and say every person who arrives on a small boat costs 10K to process. Then another 30-60k per year to house and feed. 45,000 arrived in 2022-23 and more this year.

That's where our money is going !!!!