Can anyone answer this?

[Bad_Influence]

On Friday, August 7th Dr. Dan Stock addressed the Mt. Vernon School Board in Indiana over the futility of mask mandates and Covid-19 protocols in most schools. You can watch his 6 minute presentation before the school board. In his presentation, he references a flash drive he gave the school board members to review with all of the scientific literature he referenced.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Whisper it, the vaccine isn’t having the desired effect. Potentially making things worse, as the virus adapts to this man-made intervention. It’s almost like you need to get the virus to be properly protected from it.

 

[Bad_Influence]

TwoTiddlers, are you not gonna post about the poor couple who died within 12 hours of eachother despite both being double jabbed? No? Nothing?


The guy had vasculitis (inflammation of the blood vessels - affecting his lungs) and yet he was given these experimental jabs that produced inside him large quantities of pathogenic spike proteins linked with clotting

This is medical negligence at the least, but I guess the person who jabbed him was “just doing what they’re told”.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Sam and TwoTiddlers go very quiet again when there’s something they can’t deny. Typical.
And will you lot ever wake up? The vaccines are now known to not prevent anything but you still cling to the media rhetoric that Covid is the threat? When will you realise that the only threat is from Sage and the media? Denial is only proof of your blinkers. You want to believe Sam and TwoTiddlers but you know the truth even if you tell yourself otherwise.

 

[TheThinker]

The Eminent Scientists ??? Hmmmmmm,, K

 

[hell2bwith76]

We`re not only fighting Covid19 now . We have the whole Planet attacking us ; or is it us attacking the Planet ?

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

I would laugh if this wasn't so harmful and dangerous to life.

Anyway, ignoring the nutcase that is a covid spreading, antivax conspiracy theorist. This is who he and his ilk are. (confused and dangerous half-wits)

today, 10 Aug, 2020a headline/s in the Independent

quote -

The anti-vaxxers who stormed the wrong BBC building are just an embarrassment.

The anti-vaxxers who yesterday attempted to storm the BBC – but turned up at a building not used by the BBC since 2013 – are confused and dangerous half-wits, who have wallowed too long in conspiracy theories and nonsense.

If there was ever a moment to take stock and ask yourself, “what am I doing with my life?”, this was surely it. You’re there in west London on a wet Monday afternoon, trying to break into the wrong building to confront BBC journalists who aren’t there. And all because of… life-saving vaccines. Is this really how it was meant to be? Come on, let’s get you home and put the kettle on.

The details of yesterday’s “revolution” bear repeating. It’s wonderful stuff. A few dozen anti-vaxxers arrived in White City shouting “shame on you, shame on you” and “they are coming for our f***ing children”. They then attempted to storm Television Centre, once home of the BBC. Problem is, though, that Television Centre is now mostly residential flats. Admittedly, some broadcasting does still go on there but the studios are mostly used by ITV, not the BBC. So while all this was going on outside, Loose Women was live on air.'

As co-host Charlene White pointed out on Twitter: Not sure what protesters were hoping to achieve, but all they would’ve found was me, Jane, Nadia and Penny talking about the menopause.”

Opinion: The anti-vaxxers who stormed the wrong BBC building are just an embarrassment

Those who turned up at a location not used by the Beeb since 2013 are confused and dangerous half-wits

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Cosmonaut]

Sam and TwoTiddlers go very quiet again when there’s something they can’t deny. Typical.
And will you lot ever wake up? The vaccines are now known to not prevent anything but you still cling to the media rhetoric that Covid is the threat? When will you realise that the only threat is from Sage and the media? Denial is only proof of your blinkers. You want to believe Sam and TwoTiddlers but you know the truth even if you tell yourself otherwise.

Correct this if necessary... but, so far, you appear to have claimed "the vaccines are now known to not prevent anything", that the vaccines cause various ill-health side effects... and that you're not anti-vax.

We should get a pretty clear idea of how effective the vaccines are this autumn/winter - but, in the meantime... could I ask if you see any positives in the covid vaccine?

Whatever they may be, I'm not sure how you're now gonna persuade that you're not anti-vax.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

this says it all about people falling for antivax, covidiot misinformation.​

- did not get their coronavirus vaccines because they had been scared by anti-vaccination "misinformation".​

​

Newspaper headlines, 9/10 Aug 2021​

Covid wipes out anti-vaxxer family: Son loses father, 73, mother, 65, and brother, 40, to virus within a week of family meal after they refused the jab.​

Chef’s parents and brother die from Covid within week after jab refusal

Francis Goncalves, from Cardiff, wants his family’s experience to encourage people to get vaccinated

www.theguardian.com

​

Father, mother and son who refused Covid vaccine die within days of each other

A son has spoken of losing three family members to Covid-19 within a week after they refused to get a vaccine.Francis Goncalves, 43, from Cardiff, said he was

www.thetimes.co.uk

Anti-vaxx mother, father and brother die of Covid-19 within a week of each other

Three members of the same family who turned down the Covid-19 vaccine died of the virus within a week of each other after catching it at a family dinner.

www.lbc.co.uk

 

[Bad_Influence]

Correct this if necessary... but, so far, you appear to have claimed "the vaccines are now known to not prevent anything", that the vaccines cause various ill-health side effects... and that you're not anti-vax.

We should get a pretty clear idea of how effective the vaccines are this autumn/winter - but, in the meantime... could I ask if you see any positives in the covid vaccine?

Whatever they may be, I'm not sure how you're now gonna persuade that you're not anti-vax.

The vaccines initially seem to be effective in preventing hospitalisation and in reducing covid numbers. However, as the months have passed, their efficacy has clearly reduced greatly, along with the rising number of side effects, and the obvious coercion by the powers-that-be to get everyone jabbed while keeping the truth regarding those side-effects from the public, raises concern.
Put that alongside the push for vax passports when there is no scientific reasoning behind it, and the vax does not prevent spread, and the fact that Parliament itself refuses to have a vax passport for the House, and questions SHOULD be asked.
As I’ve said, I’m not anti-vax, however I am definitely anti-this-vax. If a vaccine is proven to be safe and effective then I’d have it tomorrow, but I'm not taking an experimental drug that is known to be a risk to my health to maybe prevent worse symptoms should I get a disease that has a 99% survival rate.
Everyone has a choice, I’ve made mine just as others have made theirs. Some made that choice to protect themselves, some so they could go on holiday, some to try to end lockdown, how’s that working out? You can still die when double-jabbed, You can only go to certain places on holiday but the govt could change the rules while you’re away making you self-isolate for 10 days, and even now the govt are warning they are preparing for the potential ‘need’ for winter lockdown restrictions.
We were told we’d be out of lockdown once the old and at-risk were vaccinated, that went well didn’t it? The govt has continually offered a tidbit of carrot behind vax and every time, have instead beaten us with a stick.
We have a country too scared to go out without a face-nappy, kids too scared to see their grandparents because they have been led to believe they may murder them, we have families divided or the vax, care workers losing their jobs for not getting the vax even though folk where happy for them to go look after their parents/ grandparents at the height of the pandemic with no vaccine. And after all that, they say the vax may actually be causing the variants. No sh**, that’s what a virus does, mutates to protect itself.
I hope that answers your question.

 

[Bad_Influence]

this says it all about people falling for antivax, covidiot misinformation.​

- did not get their coronavirus vaccines because they had been scared by anti-vaccination "misinformation".​

​

Newspaper headlines, 9/10 Aug 2021​

Covid wipes out anti-vaxxer family: Son loses father, 73, mother, 65, and brother, 40, to virus within a week of family meal after they refused the jab.​

Chef’s parents and brother die from Covid within week after jab refusal

Francis Goncalves, from Cardiff, wants his family’s experience to encourage people to get vaccinated

www.theguardian.com

​

Father, mother and son who refused Covid vaccine die within days of each other

A son has spoken of losing three family members to Covid-19 within a week after they refused to get a vaccine.Francis Goncalves, 43, from Cardiff, said he was

www.thetimes.co.uk

Anti-vaxx mother, father and brother die of Covid-19 within a week of each other

Three members of the same family who turned down the Covid-19 vaccine died of the virus within a week of each other after catching it at a family dinner.

www.lbc.co.uk

More twisting of the news TwoTiddlers? The headlines should read ‘Covid kill man, his obese father and mother who had multiple underlying health conditions’
You really do believe the shite you read don’t you? I guess it explains your love of thedailymash, you actually think it’s real.

 

[Cosmonaut]

The vaccines initially seem to be effective in preventing hospitalisation and in reducing covid numbers. However, as the months have passed, their efficacy has clearly reduced greatly, along with the rising number of side effects, and the obvious coercion by the powers-that-be to get everyone jabbed while keeping the truth regarding those side-effects from the public, raises concern.
Put that alongside the push for vax passports when there is no scientific reasoning behind it, and the vax does not prevent spread, and the fact that Parliament itself refuses to have a vax passport for the House, and questions SHOULD be asked.
As I’ve said, I’m not anti-vax, however I am definitely anti-this-vax. If a vaccine is proven to be safe and effective then I’d have it tomorrow, but I'm not taking an experimental drug that is known to be a risk to my health to maybe prevent worse symptoms should I get a disease that has a 99% survival rate.
Everyone has a choice, I’ve made mine just as others have made theirs. Some made that choice to protect themselves, some so they could go on holiday, some to try to end lockdown, how’s that working out? You can still die when double-jabbed, You can only go to certain places on holiday but the govt could change the rules while you’re away making you self-isolate for 10 days, and even now the govt are warning they are preparing for the potential ‘need’ for winter lockdown restrictions.
We were told we’d be out of lockdown once the old and at-risk were vaccinated, that went well didn’t it? The govt has continually offered a tidbit of carrot behind vax and every time, have instead beaten us with a stick.
We have a country too scared to go out without a face-nappy, kids too scared to see their grandparents because they have been led to believe they may murder them, we have families divided or the vax, care workers losing their jobs for not getting the vax even though folk where happy for them to go look after their parents/ grandparents at the height of the pandemic with no vaccine. And after all that, they say the vax may actually be causing the variants. No sh**, that’s what a virus does, mutates to protect itself.
I hope that answers your question.

Ah, okay, so you do acknowledge being "anti-this-vax" then. Clears that up.

Going back to the vaccine passports. I think the logic is that they will help reduce the impact of the virus, rather than the transmission. It's assumed that a proportion of people attending events at transmission hotspots will contract covid. But the impact on vaccinated attendees will, according to the current consensus, be significantly less, i.e. fewer hospitalisations and deaths.

I'm not necessarily saying I agree with vaccine passports - but I can definitely see a logical argument for having them. No?

 

[Bad_Influence]

Ah, okay, so you do acknowledge being "anti-this-vax" then. Clears that up.

Going back to the vaccine passports. I think the logic is that they will help reduce the impact of the virus, rather than the transmission. It's assumed that a proportion of people attending events at transmission hotspots will contract covid. But the impact on vaccinated attendees will, according to the current consensus, be significantly less, i.e. fewer hospitalisations and deaths.

I'm not necessarily saying I agree with vaccine passports - but I can definitely see a logical argument for having them. No?

No. I can’t. Explain the logic. How can it not be divisive? IF the vaccines prevent spread of Covid, if keeping the vaccinated separate from the unvaccinated, yes then there would be a reason, but that’s clearly not the case.

 

[Cosmonaut]

No. I can’t. Explain the logic. How can it not be divisive? IF the vaccines prevent spread of Covid, if keeping the vaccinated separate from the unvaccinated, yes then there would be a reason, but that’s clearly not the case.

Simple analogy: the non-vaccinated don't have the required PPE for entering high risk areas.

But if you believe that the vaccine makes no difference to anything whatsoever, I'm pretty sure there's no way of making a persuasive case for vaccine passports.

 

[hell2bwith76]

The vaccines initially seem to be effective in preventing hospitalisation and in reducing covid numbers. However, as the months have passed, their efficacy has clearly reduced greatly, along with the rising number of side effects, and the obvious coercion by the powers-that-be to get everyone jabbed while keeping the truth regarding those side-effects from the public, raises concern.
Put that alongside the push for vax passports when there is no scientific reasoning behind it, and the vax does not prevent spread, and the fact that Parliament itself refuses to have a vax passport for the House, and questions SHOULD be asked.
As I’ve said, I’m not anti-vax, however I am definitely anti-this-vax. If a vaccine is proven to be safe and effective then I’d have it tomorrow, but I'm not taking an experimental drug that is known to be a risk to my health to maybe prevent worse symptoms should I get a disease that has a 99% survival rate.
Everyone has a choice, I’ve made mine just as others have made theirs. Some made that choice to protect themselves, some so they could go on holiday, some to try to end lockdown, how’s that working out? You can still die when double-jabbed, You can only go to certain places on holiday but the govt could change the rules while you’re away making you self-isolate for 10 days, and even now the govt are warning they are preparing for the potential ‘need’ for winter lockdown restrictions.
We were told we’d be out of lockdown once the old and at-risk were vaccinated, that went well didn’t it? The govt has continually offered a tidbit of carrot behind vax and every time, have instead beaten us with a stick.
We have a country too scared to go out without a face-nappy, kids too scared to see their grandparents because they have been led to believe they may murder them, we have families divided or the vax, care workers losing their jobs for not getting the vax even though folk where happy for them to go look after their parents/ grandparents at the height of the pandemic with no vaccine. And after all that, they say the vax may actually be causing the variants. No sh**, that’s what a virus does, mutates to protect itself.
I hope that answers your question.

Aside from all the bumf i will agree with one line of what you write .
"that’s what a virus does, mutates to protect itself. ". Until i read anything to the contrary i will believe that.
this means that we are actually at War ,with this Virus. Anything that can be done to defeat it is worth the pain ( lockdown ,etc>)

 

[Bad_Influence]

Simple analogy: the non-vaccinated don't have the required PPE for entering high risk areas.

But if you believe that the vaccine makes no difference to anything whatsoever, I'm pretty sure there's no way of making a persuasive case for vaccine passports.

'Vulnerable' double-vaccinated England fan, 39, dies of Covid after two-week battle with virus he caught while watching Euros final at Wembley​

• Danny Bailey, 39, caught Covid after watching England play at Wembley in July
• The Arsenal fan, who was classed as vulnerable, died after a two week battle
• Danny, who was on immunosuppressants, had both jabs when he caught virus

An Arsenal fan who caught Covid-19 after watching England play in the Euro 2020 final at Wembley died two weeks later despite being double jabbed.

Danny Bailey, 39, from Hatfield, Hertfordshire died on Friday July 30 after a two-week battle with the virus.

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Can you explain to me what difference the vaccine makes? The virus kills both the jabbed and unjabbed in equal measure now.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Aside from all the bumf i will agree with one line of what you write .
"that’s what a virus does, mutates to protect itself. ". Until i read anything to the contrary i will believe that.
this means that we are actually at War ,with this Virus. Anything that can be done to defeat it is worth the pain ( lockdown ,etc>)

Anything? At what cost? Ruining children’s education? Forcing businesses to close? Stopping the NHS even trying to catch up on years of backlog?
For a virus with a 99% survival rate? Ffs, get some perspective.

 

[Bad_Influence]

From Channel 4 News:


"Herd immunity is not a possibility" because the Delta variant "still infects vaccinated individuals".

Professor Sir Andrew Pollard, director of the Oxford Vaccine Group, says there is nothing "the UK can do to stop the emergence of new variants".

 

[Words]

You would think mods might have closed this thread by now all the lies spread on here

 

[Bad_Influence]

You would think mods might have closed this thread by now all the lies spread on here

That’s the thing Words, can you prove they are lies or is that just your opinion? Or do your just like to shut down anything you don’t like? Sheesh.