Can anyone answer this?

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

“…if you take 10 million people and just wave your hand back and forth over their upper arms, in the next two months you would expect to see about 4,000 heart attacks. About 4,000 strokes. Over 9,000 new diagnoses of cancer. And about 14,000 of that ten million will die, out of usual all-causes mortality. No one would notice. That’s how many people die and get sick anyway.

But if you took those ten million people and gave them a new vaccine instead, there’s a real danger that those heart attacks, cancer diagnoses, and deaths will be attributed to the vaccine.” - Dr Derek Lowe


''Post hoc ergo propter hoc ["Since event Y followed event X, event Y must have been caused by event X." ] is one of the most powerful fallacies of human logic, and we’re not going to get rid of it any time soon. Especially when it comes to vaccines.'' -DL

links: eg:

Tackling the Anti-Vax Movement - The British Medical Association [BMA] - Pushing back – tackling the anti-vax movement

Susceptibility to the misinformation about COVID-19 - The Royal Society - https://royalsocietypublishing.org/doi/10.1098/rsos.201199

COVID-19 Vaccine misinformation -UK Parliament - COVID-19 vaccine misinformation - POST

COVID-19 Vaccine hesitancy and the anti vaccine movement - Oxford University - COVID-19 vaccine hesitancy in the UK | University of Oxford

Measuring the Impact of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation on vaccination intent in the UK and the USA - nature - Measuring the impact of COVID-19 vaccine misinformation on vaccination intent in the UK and USA - Nature Human Behaviour

COVID-19 vaccine misinformation from the antivax movement - Harvard Law - COVID-19 Vaccine Misinformation and the Anti-Vaccine Movement | Bill of Health

Get ready for the information spread on false side effects and deaths - American Association for the Advancement of Science [AAAS] & Dr Derek Lowe - Get Ready for False Side Effects | In the Pipeline

The Top COVID-19 vaccine myths being spread online - Britannica.com - The Top COVID-19 Vaccine Myths Spreading Online

Fighting Misinformation in the time of COVID-19 - World Health Organisation and the UK GOV - Fighting misinformation in the time of COVID-19, one click at a time

 

[Bad_Influence]

Carry on, it does not change facts. But keep shouting louder, that’ll do it TwoTiddlers.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

And the good news

Aug 9, 2020.

Covid vaccine hesitancy halves among young people in Great Britain​

Growing number of 18- to 21-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales willing to receive jab, data shows

Covid vaccine hesitancy has almost halved among 18- to 21-year-olds in Great Britain, according to data from the Office for National Statistics.

The figures also suggest increasing numbers of 16- and 17-year-olds are willing to have the jab, as hesitancy has decreased from 14% to 11%. Older teenagers are now able to get one after the decision was announced last week to extend the rollout to that age group.

Covid vaccine hesitancy halves among young people in Great Britain

Growing number of 18- to 21-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales willing to receive jab, data shows

www.theguardian.com

Well done to our science following young people.

 

[SamBally]

They are away with the fairies.

Don't trust the "man" they shout, endlessly. The "man" is out to get you!

As they brazenly quote from the same establishment, the UN, and the American Military and without an ounce of shame...

Posting the same "evidence" over and over again and praying for a different outcome and although every single shred of it has previously been debunked on numerous occasions.

Deceiving extremely vulnerable people who are the most susceptible to manipulation. It is a demonstrable FACT that people from poorer socio-economic groups are more likely not to have had the vaccine. Yet these very same people from the far-right castigate those from poorer socio-economic groups claiming "10% are a burden on society" and that they are all "Benefit scroungers" etc.

Ask yourself, why are the middle class and or with a university education getting jabbed?

Let's pray the current UK government quickly introduces legislation to shut down these vaccine denying drones once and for all and hefty prison sentences when it is proven they have played a major role in innocent people losing their lives to Covid.

 

[Bad_Influence]

They are away with the fairies.

Don't trust the "man" they shout, endlessly. The "man" is out to get you!

As they brazenly quote from the same establishment, the UN, and the American Military and without an ounce of shame...

Posting the same "evidence" over and over again and praying for a different outcome and although every single shred of it has previously been debunked on numerous occasions.

Deceiving extremely vulnerable people who are the most susceptible to manipulation. It is a demonstrable FACT that people from poorer socio-economic groups are more likely not to have had the vaccine. Yet these very same people from the far-right castigate those from poorer socio-economic groups claiming "10% are a burden on society" and that they are all "Benefit scroungers" etc.

Ask yourself, why are the middle class and or with a university education getting jabbed?

Let's pray the current UK government quickly introduces legislation to shut down these vaccine denying drones once and for all and hefty prison sentences when it is proven they have played a major role in innocent people losing their lives to Covid.

Carry on. All you seem to manage to do is insult folk.
Far-right? You want folk locked up for having an opinion and you have the gall to call folk far-right? You are laughable.

 

[SamBally]

A gaslighter.

"Gaslighting is a colloquialism for a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is successful in having the target question their own reality, memory, or perceptions. There is often a power dynamic in gaslighting where the target is vulnerable because they are fearful of losses associated with challenging the manipulator."

3,971 previous posts insulting people.

 

[Bad_Influence]

A gaslighter.

"Gaslighting is a colloquialism for a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is successful in having the target question their own reality, memory, or perceptions. There is often a power dynamic in gaslighting where the target is vulnerable because they are fearful of losses associated with challenging the manipulator."

3,971 previous posts insulting people.

Nice of you to notice.

 

[SamBally]

The observant will have noticed how he tries to bully happy-go-lucky chatters like qmangjmc relentlessly. Every single time qmangjmc comments the same gaslighter attacks him. Over and over again.


Of course, he is kack at attacking those who are not so happy go lucky and who don't tolerate bullies.

 

[Bad_Influence]

The observant will have noticed how he tries to bully happy-go-lucky chatters like qmangjmc relentlessly. Every single time qmangjmc comments the same gaslighter attacks him. Over and over again.


Of course, he is kack at attacking those who are not so happy go lucky and who don't tolerate bullies.

Oh I’m sure you love chatters like Gdsgdgy (qmangjmc), he’s definitely your kind of chatter.

 

[SamBally]

Like I said. A big tough guy when it comes to constantly harassing happy-go-lucky characters who avoid conflict and a coward the rest of the time.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

A gaslighter.

"Gaslighting is a colloquialism for a specific type of manipulation where the manipulator is successful in having the target question their own reality, memory, or perceptions. There is often a power dynamic in gaslighting where the target is vulnerable because they are fearful of losses associated with challenging the manipulator."

3,971 previous posts insulting people.

I'm just glad that the gaslighing covidiot antivaxxer conspiracy theorist has never called me names.

 

[Bad_Influence]

The observant will have noticed how he tries to bully happy-go-lucky chatters like qmangjmc relentlessly. Every single time qmangjmc comments the same gaslighter attacks him. Over and over again.


Of course, he is kack at attacking those who are not so happy go lucky and who don't tolerate bullies.

The more observant will have noticed that self-righteous Sam here tries to shut people up who disagree with his left-wing principles by shouting loudly and going through their profile to nitpick relentlessly.
He never engages in ANY forum where he can’t cause an argument…. Ever.

 

[Bad_Influence]

I'm just glad that the gaslighing covidiot antivaxxer conspiracy theorist has never called me names.

Awwww your mate it back. You can get brave again eh?

 

[SamBally]

The difference between me and melonhead is that I have the emotional intelligence to understand I am responsible for what I type and no one else.

Whereas melonhead always blames the target of his crude, savage attacks.

 

[Bad_Influence]

The difference between me and melonhead is that I have the emotional intelligence to understand I am responsible for what I type and no one else.

Whereas melonhead is always blaming his victims.

No Sam, the difference is your aim is to have yet another forum shut down because you don’t agree with it. Now please either stick to the topic or more along.

 

[SamBally]

I will do what I like Christopher, within the rules of the site, and when I like.

Stick to harassing those who avoid conflict.

 

[Bad_Influence]

I will do what I like Christopher, within the rules of the site, and when I like.

Stick to harassing those who avoid conflict.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

From the British Medical Journal. [BMJ]

Should spreading anti-vaccine misinformation be criminalised?

Should spreading anti-vaccine misinformation be criminalised?

The spread of false health information casts a shadow over required vaccine coverage. Melinda Mills says that we must, reluctantly, consider criminalising people who deliberately spread false information—but Jonas Sivelä argues that the definitions are too murky and that criminalisation may do...

www.bmj.com

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

From The Lancet

Correcting COVID-19 vaccine misinformation
Lancet Commission on COVID-19 Vaccines and Therapeutics Task Force Members

quote: - 'Here we provide a brief “primer” to assist healthcare providers in correcting a growing body of misinformation surrounding COVID-19 vaccines.'

link:

thelancet.com

Correcting COVID-19 vaccine misinformation

Here we provide a brief “primer” to assist healthcare providers in correcting a growing body of misinformation surrounding COVID-19 vaccines.

www.thelancet.com

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

From Oxford University the ...

Vaccine Knowledge Project

COVID-19 vaccines​

COVID-19 is a disease caused by a new type of coronavirus, the severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). This virus was first detected in Wuhan, China, in December 2019 and has led to a Pandemic, announced by the World Health Organization on 11thMarch 2020.
This page provides the following information:

• Key facts about COVID-19 vaccines
• Pfizer BioNTech vaccine
• Oxford AstraZeneca vaccine
• Who should have the vaccines?
• Safety and side effects
• Vaccine ingredients
• Nucleic acid and viral vector vaccines explained

COVID-19 vaccines

vk.ovg.ox.ac.uk