Can anyone answer this?

[Cosmonaut]

Have I said ANYWHERE that the vaccines do not work?

You've certainly implied that this is your opinion, yes.

 

[LIL_WHITE_FOX]

Agreed

 

[Bad_Influence]

You've certainly implied that this is your opinion, yes.

Not at all. They certainly have efficacy that reduces over time. Whether it starts at 96% as claimed is not proven over large test numbers as even the makers freely admit. As they admit it reduces over time, hence the govt buying enough vaccines to jab the whole country 4 times over.
My issue is and always has been, with the safety of the vaccines, not their efficacy.

 

[breakwake_]

"Can anyone explain to me the logic of vaccinating kids against a virus that is of no threat to them, using a vaccination which does not prevent spread, does not stop you catching the virus, and is known to make side effects? Why would a parent take a risk with their child’s future health, especially when there are reports of the potential of the vaccine affecting fertility? How can any parent risk their children’s LIFE?"

Schools were a hotbed for the virus, kids weren't required to wear masks, they mingled in schools because it was thought they didn't catch the virus, only now we know they still spread it even if they didn't suffer from it. A person can still carry a virus even if they don't suffer from symptoms, a vaccine which doesn't stop spread may seem pointless but it may reduce the severity of symptoms, in either the carrier or anyone they spread it to. Plus it may stop another strain from mutating. The main cause of death I believe was breathing related, even fit people had severe breathing issues and the only way people could breath was by having air forced into them. That seems to no longer be the case.


"Why the unprecedented, relentless pressure to be vaccinated?"

Because we just had a lockdown and don't want another.


"Why no media coverage of side effects?"

Because media may get into trouble if its found to be dissuading people from getting the jab, and side effects aren't uncommon in vaccines. Media could get accused of spreading fear. Could also be a gagging order but who knows.


"What happened to the gov’t listening to the science, the science says vaccine efficacy could be as low as 22% yet still they are pushing it."

Thats probably to do with the economy and maybe other issues. If the virus starts spreading again then there'll be another lockdown and this time round maybe not everyone will obey the rules. And any efficacy is probably better than none.


"Are the jabbed prepared to get boosters every 6 months to continue to be ‘allowed’ certain freedoms?"

Probably, Government wants to encourage people to take the vaccine in some way.

 

[Bad_Influence]

"Can anyone explain to me the logic of vaccinating kids against a virus that is of no threat to them, using a vaccination which does not prevent spread, does not stop you catching the virus, and is known to make side effects? Why would a parent take a risk with their child’s future health, especially when there are reports of the potential of the vaccine affecting fertility? How can any parent risk their children’s LIFE?"

Schools were a hotbed for the virus, kids weren't required to wear masks, they mingled in schools because it was thought they didn't catch the virus, only now we know they still spread it even if they didn't suffer from it. A person can still carry a virus even if they don't suffer from symptoms, a vaccine which doesn't stop spread may seem pointless but it may reduce the severity of symptoms, in either the carrier or anyone they spread it to. Plus it may stop another strain from mutating. The main cause of death I believe was breathing related, even fit people had severe breathing issues and the only way people could breath was by having air forced into them. That seems to no longer be the case.


"Why the unprecedented, relentless pressure to be vaccinated?"

Because we just had a lockdown and don't want another.


"Why no media coverage of side effects?"

Because media may get into trouble if its found to be dissuading people from getting the jab, and side effects aren't uncommon in vaccines. Media could get accused of spreading fear. Could also be a gagging order but who knows.


"What happened to the gov’t listening to the science, the science says vaccine efficacy could be as low as 22% yet still they are pushing it."

Thats probably to do with the economy and maybe other issues. If the virus starts spreading again then there'll be another lockdown and this time round maybe not everyone will obey the rules. And any efficacy is probably better than none.


"Are the jabbed prepared to get boosters every 6 months to continue to be ‘allowed’ certain freedoms?"

Probably, Government wants to encourage people to take the vaccine in some way.

Thank you. Someone who at least tried. I’ll respond more fully later when I’m not using my phone on here.

 

[Cosmonaut]

How’s the vaccine helping again?

Right, so when you asked the above question, that was in no-way an implication of, in your view, the futility of covid vaccination?

You are, in actual fact, pro-vaccine - but genuinely weren't aware of how exactly the vaccine is helpful?

That's cool - but if you are lacking knowledge in this fundamental area, maybe a good bit of research prior to expressing bold claims and opinions in a public forum.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Right, so when you asked the above question, that was in no-way an implication of, in your view, the futility of covid vaccination?

You are, in actual fact, pro-vaccine - but genuinely weren't aware of how exactly the vaccine is helpful?

That's cool - but if you are lacking knowledge in this fundamental area, maybe a good bit of research prior to expressing bold claims and opinions in a public forum.

The Delta variant seems to have evaded the vaccine. Not my words, the media you so trust.

 

[Cosmonaut]

The Delta variant seems to have evaded the vaccine. Not my words, the media you so trust.

And your basis for assuming I trust the media is... the fact I disagree with you on a few points?

Pretty sure I opined that it can, obviously, be very healthy to scrutinise the media and/or government. But preferably aided by fact, evidence and reason... if the intention is for it to be taken it seriously.

 

[hell2bwith76]

This is the beginning ,by BI.
" Why the unprecedented, relentless pressure to be vaccinated?

Why no media coverage of side effects?

What happened to the gov’t listening to the science, the science says vaccine efficacy could be as low as 22% yet still they are pushing it.

Are the jabbed prepared to get boosters every 6 months to continue to be ‘allowed’ certain freedoms?

Only genuine answers please, sarcasm and ignorance will be ignored.
Worship the God Pennywise. IT works "

1. To prevent the pressures on Hospitals when the Covid wards are overflowing.
2. No full evidence of side effects as yet.Come back in 20 years to find that .
3.key word "could be " . It could also be 99%.
4. Is the jab a guarantee of certain freedoms then? If so which ?.

5. I.e. "whoever disagrees with my opinion will be ignored "

 

[hell2bwith76]

I’ve never claimed ppl die from the common cold. You’re making stuff up again Hells.

In some vulnerable people the Common cold can lead to Pneumonia which can kill ! Taking my words out of context can certainly give the appearance that i am lying.

 

[Clarity]

I’ve never claimed ppl die from the common cold. You’re making stuff up again Hells.

And what about long covid? it's not death but it's horrendous, this keeps getting swept under the carpet? So many thousands of people are living with the after affects its completely life changing in a very negative way...the rate its going this is going to be a pandemic in itself.

 

[casiquaire]

 

[hell2bwith76]

I think BI may smile at this . Weds we had my daughter ,partner plus their 2 kids visit after waiting around 18 months to do so !. The 2 boys are aged 20 & 23 so not like small "kids". None of them have had or intend to have a Vaccine but one of the boys has to have regular tests as he works in a Cocktail bar which have not long re-opened. Of course it was lovely to see them and be able to hold them tightly and talk like crazy about many things. I actually lost my voice during their stay (lol). The partner thinks very much along the same lines as BI does ,i`m sure they would make a good team . We have exchanged punches online ( social media ) but it`s entirely different when you come face to face and discus your own opinions . I did actually learn a few things which i`ve never seen on here ,even by Mr B.. I`m prepared to learn what i don`t know .

Correct me if i`m wrong BI:- I asked him about the new rules in pubs & clubs since the lifting of lockdown.Why the different rules where Clubs seem to be treated a lot stiffer than pubs ?. His reply :-while clubs are generally filled with only young people( who are more likely to spread the Virus) pubs have a mix of old and young people hence less Virus spread . Does that make sense to you ?.It does to me .
Another question :- why is the Virus mutating regularly now we have a Vaccine . The Virus ( Covid19) realises that it is being prevented from attacking "people " with a Vaccine it has figured out a way to beat the Vaccine ,by altering it`s DNA(?). Both make sense to me apart from why Virus`s are still considered to not be alive !.They seem to be very much alive to me !!

To end my short story (lol) i need to say that my other daughter has always been very scared about Cocvid19 and ,even now ,won`t visit us without testing herself first. She has just about stopped using a mask & social distancing whilst in our house .

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

I've read some turgid tripe in this thread in the past few days but trying to appease some antivax covid spreader cvnt with homely stories reaches a new fvcking low.

 

[Bad_Influence]

"Can anyone explain to me the logic of vaccinating kids against a virus that is of no threat to them, using a vaccination which does not prevent spread, does not stop you catching the virus, and is known to make side effects? Why would a parent take a risk with their child’s future health, especially when there are reports of the potential of the vaccine affecting fertility? How can any parent risk their children’s LIFE?"

Schools were a hotbed for the virus, kids weren't required to wear masks, they mingled in schools because it was thought they didn't catch the virus, only now we know they still spread it even if they didn't suffer from it. A person can still carry a virus even if they don't suffer from symptoms, a vaccine which doesn't stop spread may seem pointless but it may reduce the severity of symptoms, in either the carrier or anyone they spread it to. Plus it may stop another strain from mutating. The main cause of death I believe was breathing related, even fit people had severe breathing issues and the only way people could breath was by having air forced into them. That seems to no longer be the case.


"Why the unprecedented, relentless pressure to be vaccinated?"

Because we just had a lockdown and don't want another.


"Why no media coverage of side effects?"

Because media may get into trouble if its found to be dissuading people from getting the jab, and side effects aren't uncommon in vaccines. Media could get accused of spreading fear. Could also be a gagging order but who knows.


"What happened to the gov’t listening to the science, the science says vaccine efficacy could be as low as 22% yet still they are pushing it."

Thats probably to do with the economy and maybe other issues. If the virus starts spreading again then there'll be another lockdown and this time round maybe not everyone will obey the rules. And any efficacy is probably better than none.


"Are the jabbed prepared to get boosters every 6 months to continue to be ‘allowed’ certain freedoms?"

Probably, Government wants to encourage people to take the vaccine in some way.

As you say, the vaccines do not prevent spread, and as far as I understand it, the vaccines can actually be the reason for the mutation of the virus. It is still wrong in my opinion, to force kids to have a trial jab, knowing it can and does cause harm.


Lockdown? We will have another lockdown. I think that is a guarantee.

Ofcom have told broadcasters they cannot promote fear. But the total silence regarding the side effects is dangerous. How can anyone make an informed decision (required by international law) if they are not given access to both the benefits and the dangers?

Any efficacy is better than none? The vast majority of covid deaths are those over 80 or with other health issues. Yes I’m aware that it’s not exclusive, but because the figures we are officially given is so deliberately vague, we never know how many previously health victims there have been. I think a vaccine that reduces in efficacy to such an extent as we are seeing, gives a false sense of security to those who take it. As we are witnessing the Delta variant seems to have found ur way to dodge the vaccine, that’s what viruses do, so I’m struggling to balance the risk/reward even more so now.


Coercion, bullying, and bribery should not be needed if people trusted the vaccines. But I don’t blame kids for not coming forward for a jab that might harm them, when they are at next to no threat from the virus itself. The survival rate among the population is between 99% and 99.5%, that’s good odds.

 

[Bad_Influence]

And what about long covid? it's not death but it's horrendous, this keeps getting swept under the carpet? So many thousands of people are living with the after affects its completely life changing in a very negative way...the rate its going this is going to be a pandemic in itself.

People live with the long term effects of many illnesses, not just covid. I honestly don’t know enough about long covid to comment more, only to say the vaccines do no appear to prevent long covid any more than they prevent covid itself.

 

[Bad_Influence]

This is the beginning ,by BI.
" Why the unprecedented, relentless pressure to be vaccinated?

Why no media coverage of side effects?

What happened to the gov’t listening to the science, the science says vaccine efficacy could be as low as 22% yet still they are pushing it.

Are the jabbed prepared to get boosters every 6 months to continue to be ‘allowed’ certain freedoms?

Only genuine answers please, sarcasm and ignorance will be ignored.
Worship the God Pennywise. IT works "

1. To prevent the pressures on Hospitals when the Covid wards are overflowing.
2. No full evidence of side effects as yet.Come back in 20 years to find that .
3.key word "could be " . It could also be 99%.
4. Is the jab a guarantee of certain freedoms then? If so which ?.

5. I.e. "whoever disagrees with my opinion will be ignored "

1. The hospitals are not being overwhelmed. The track and trace system has massively reduced nhs staff numbers at any given time. It’s about time the nhs protected us rather than the other ways round. Thats no slight on frontline workers, but on a health service that needs fixing. It is currently not fit for purpose. (Some would say deliberately, all the more reason to privatise this institution to make yet more money for certain people. But obviously I’m not that cynical. Lol)

2. There is evidence on side effects. VAERS and EUDRA publish them but they are never reported.

3. Even the makers now admit the efficacy only remains high for a short time, as I’ve already stated.

4. It’s no guarantee at all. Promises made have proven to be lies. We were told lockdowns would end when the old and at-risk were jabbed- never happened. Every promise has been broken or twisted.

 

[Bad_Influence]

View attachment 4259

So very true.

 

[Altair]

Chris. I think it's a shame that a man with your talents is still here on 'Chat Sites'.

Don't you think it's time you used your talents elsewhere?

Somewhere where you will be understood and where someone like minded will have the reply you so desire.
One thing for sure....you wont find it here.

Why do you think I stopped posting stuff here...?

The audience on 'Chat sites' are seldom worthy of even having the chance to reply.
You know deep down what i'm getting at.

It's entirely up to you. But Deep down...and in a matter of time... you will come around to my way of thinking... i think.!

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

^^^^^^^ up there ^^^^^^^^^^