Believe this or don’t. I merely give you the opportunity to read it.

[SamBally]

 

[Bad_Influence]

It must be terrible being an out of work actor during a pandemic. They are seemingly targeted by the virus and always seem to be hospitalised and have their case reported on the BBC.

 

[Moriarty]

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You have previously made some pretty bold Covid claims. All unproven. You have had ample opportunity to provide evidence. You also totally ignored my response and have still not provided ANY data to support your thesis. You must know what "data" is in relation to scientific evidence because you brought data into the conversation in exactly the same context.


Provide some data, as evidence, to prove your various claims.


It isn't rocket science.

Bold claims concerning Covid, not at all.
Again, you mis-represent what I have said.

Do I doubt the validity of PCR testing, yes, as does NHS England and the MSRA.
Some studies,
Albendin-Iglesias 2.6% False Positive.
Katz 7.1% False Positive.
US CDC Just below 8% False Positive.
Watson 5% False Positive.

Base this on number of tests carried out in the last 7 days 7,165,070
Number of cases found last 7 days 300,302
Taken from Daily summary | Coronavirus in the UK - Free Chat Rooms

So % of tests positive = 4.19%

Which means roughly from 60% to 180% of tests are actually false if false positives range from 2.6 to 8%.

Links:-
False‐positive reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction screening for SARS‐CoV‐2 in the setting of urgent head and neck surgery and otolaryngologic emergencies during the pandemic: Clinical implications - Free Chat Rooms
Usefulness of the epidemiological survey and RT–PCR test in pre-surgical patients for assessing the risk of COVID-19 - Free Chat Rooms
CDC cant link directly, have to search through their web site
The Jessica Watson study isn't freely available last time I checked.

I just want the truth, thats all..
Not to be fobbed off with BS stats, I mean we conducted more tests than the whole of Europe combined last month, you do that, you get more cases.

 

[Bad_Influence]

 

[SamBally]

Bold claims concerning Covid, not at all.
Again, you mis-represent what I have said.

Do I doubt the validity of PCR testing, yes, as does NHS England and the MSRA.
Some studies,
Albendin-Iglesias 2.6% False Positive.
Katz 7.1% False Positive.
US CDC Just below 8% False Positive.
Watson 5% False Positive.

Base this on number of tests carried out in the last 7 days 7,165,070
Number of cases found last 7 days 300,302
Taken from Daily summary | Coronavirus in the UK - Free Chat Rooms

So % of tests positive = 4.19%

Which means roughly from 60% to 180% of tests are actually false if false positives range from 2.6 to 8%.

Links:-
False‐positive reverse transcriptase polymerase chain reaction screening for SARS‐CoV‐2 in the setting of urgent head and neck surgery and otolaryngologic emergencies during the pandemic: Clinical implications - Free Chat Rooms
Usefulness of the epidemiological survey and RT–PCR test in pre-surgical patients for assessing the risk of COVID-19 - Free Chat Rooms
CDC cant link directly, have to search through their web site
The Jessica Watson study isn't freely available last time I checked.

I just want the truth, thats all..
Not to be fobbed off with BS stats, I mean we conducted more tests than the whole of Europe combined last month, you do that, you get more cases.

Which has what exactly to do with proving the two monstrous claims you made?

The ludicrous conspiracy theory that people are being murdered deliberately and the press is covering it up.

We can all play google bingo as well you know. I am sure you also know that a thesis needs to be supported by relevant evidence. I also know you understand that the onus is on you.



So rather than playing google bingo, provide evidence to support your two claims.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Now even the gov’t admit that vaccines cause variants. This just get worse.

 

[SamBally]

That is amusing. Doesn't understand a dicky bird about Covid, herd immunity, mass vaccination programs, and new variants emerging and why. It would be pointless explaining because he can't even read a simple explanation without jumping into another hysterical conspiracy theory.

 

[Whiskers]

'Not having the vaccine is the biggest mistake of my life’ - BBC News

The number of Covid patients in Bradford Royal Infirmary is rising sharply - and half are unvaccinated.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[Moriarty]

Which has what exactly to do with proving the two monstrous claims you made?

The ludicrous conspiracy theory that people are being murdered deliberately and the press is covering it up.

We can all play google bingo as well you know. I am sure you also know that a thesis needs to be supported by relevant evidence. I also know you understand that the onus is on you.



So rather than playing google bingo, provide evidence to support your two claims.

I never said "Murdered Deliberately"
Neglect of responsibility which results in death is still criminal is it not?

I never said the press was covering it up, they are simply not reporting it.

Wilful suppression of news is not the same as omission, its a fine line but one, in this case, is being used to supress panic.

I understand WHY the press isn't covering it, they have spent over a year subjecting the UK public to the idea of "Personal Fear".
As laid down in the SPI-B behavioural psychology reports on changing behaviour.

https://assets.publishing.service.g..._Trace_J_Track_and_Isolate_20200506_S0327.pdf

(Not the actual document I was after, but you will get the idea if you read this one.)

It has nothing to do with a Google playground, I have been studying this for over a year

As for supplying evidence, I have done so and can continue quite happily to do so, all I ask is you refute it with your own evidence.
Only then can a conversation take place and maybe both of us could learn something

 

[SamBally]

Now apparently the entire UKs media are also in on this conspiracy and have combined to hoodwink the entire UK population and you have discovered this singlehandedly and after a year of research. Everyone else in this country, 70 million people, have been subjected to "personal fear" and brainwashed into compliance.

But it didn't fool you did it, no Sir.

Brilliant.

A stereotypical anti vaxx stance and exactly the same sort of statement the likes of the barking mad David Icke make all day long and twice on a Sunday.

A much more eloquent version of the other one but with exactly the same message.

Just one last question if I may... Why have you two whistleblowers not reported your findings to the relevant independent media outlets and your local MP etc?

Let me guess... They are in on it as well.

 

[Bad_Influence]

That you don’t they are complicit says so much about your mindset Sam.

 

[SamBally]

I never said "Murdered Deliberately"
Neglect of responsibility which results in death is still criminal is it not?

You quite clearly accused doctors of "deliberate" murder yet now are denying it two minutes later.

Deliberately allowing injections to take place which they know will harm or possibly kill people.
Yet not allowing that data to be shown by the media, or the media omitting to report it.

Monstrous allegations against hard-working, underpaid, NHS staff, who are already used as political pawns by politicians of all parties and you should be ashamed of yourself for making them.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Why are the media not telling us about the vax-pass protests? Only one mention that I can find, claiming the protests were a small number.

Tell the thousands upon thousands in France they are a small number. 15,000 in Paris alone.

 

[Moriarty]

Now apparently the entire UKs media are also in on this conspiracy and have combined to hoodwink the entire UK population and you have discovered this singlehandedly and after a year of research. Everyone else in this country, 70 million people, have been subjected to "personal fear" and brainwashed into compliance.

But it didn't fool you did it, no Sir.

Brilliant.

A stereotypical anti vaxx stance and exactly the same sort of statement the likes of the barking mad David Icke make all day long and twice on a Sunday.

A much more eloquent version of the other one but with exactly the same message.

Just one last question if I may... Why have you two whistleblowers not reported your findings to the relevant independent media outlets and your local MP etc?

Let me guess... They are in on it as well.

I don't mind the personal insults, just means you actually have nothing to say.

Like I said, there's lots of evidence out there if one simply thinks.

Perhaps it's because of my history, perhaps it's because of my interests, perhaps it's because of my mindset.

I don't know why I see these things differently than others.

Old engineer who deals with measurements, who loves history, especially military history and especially the totalitarian regimes and propaganda.

So am I biased or knowledgeable?
Are you?
Do you even ask that question?
Or are you simply right all the time?

To much grey in life to make black or white propositions.

 

[SamBally]

I don't mind the personal insults, just means you actually have nothing to say.

You can't provide a single example of a personal insult. Like most conspiracy theory anti-vaxxers you play the victim when your ignorance is exposed.

You change your stance every two minutes. You post random graphs and facts and figures that you think are impressive and when in fact they are complete garbage and totally irrelevant to the claims you make.

You discuss psychology as if you are a professional and it is ludicrous how you randoms think you are more intelligent and learned than both scientists and academics.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Cloth face masks are 'comfort blankets' that do little to curb Covid spread, Sage adviser warns​

Dr Colin Axon warned some cloth masks have gaps that are invisible to the naked eye, but are 500,000 times the size of viral Covid particles.
Standard face coverings are just "comfort blankets" that do little to reduce the spread of Covid particles.

 

[Percy666]

People have every right to question covid vaccines for the vast majority of the population age demographic who have no real risk to the " deadly virus" without absurd links to David Icke being brought up implying that group of people are unhinged. It would be the equivalent of someone stating the Uk is a less racist country than the majority of other countries and then subsequently saying the statement comes from a slave master who is hiding his real evil racist intent with chained slaves in the basement. When someone keeps bringing up such melodramatic ridiculous comparisons to a lunatic believing in talking lizards or whatever insane rhetoric Icke subscribes to , you know the argument is lost.

The old " anti vax " crap also gets churned out like a spewing spray of diarrhoea from a cows arse that has overdosed on syrup of figs. People refusing to take the covid vaccine are not " anti vax", they weigh up the pros and cons of a virus that has an average age of death above life expectancy and act accordingly.

 

[SamBally]

Not chatting in the room Percy666?

That lecture coming from a man who describes anyone on the left as woke commies. The irony of you people.

This debate is not about people refusing to take the jab it's about randoms claiming the entire UK press is in on the conspiracy and that scientists and doctors are deliberately murdering people.

 

[Bad_Influence]

This debate is not about people refusing to take the jab it's about randoms claiming the entire UK press is in on the conspiracy and that scientists and doctors are deliberately murdering people.

No Sam, it’s about all things covid related. And while it’s kept here, it means other threads do not get spoiled.
I see you passed the France protests by, again.

 

[SamBally]

The majority of those who get fully vaccinated with the Covid-19 jab will die within a few short years from heart failure, warns Dr Charles Hoffe, M.D, a medical practitioner from British Columbia, Canada.

Clearly ludicrous conspiracy theory, nonsense.

Although I have made a will just in case.