Going to church for the wrong reasons

[Harbal]

I grew up long before YOU were born.

I wish that were true. But seriously, you have the mind of a child with your stupid "heroic" videos. It's bloody ridiculous, for God's sake.

 

[Harbal]

Bugger off, joe90.

 

[joe90]

Bugger off, joe90.

 

[Harbal]

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And we could talk, if only you were capable of speech.

 

[Harbal]

 

[joe90]

 

[Harbal]

I wonder what joe believes.

 

[joe90]

I wonder what joe believes.

protestant

 

[Harbal]

Once you start talking, joe, there is simply no shutting you up.

 

[joe90]

 

[joe90]

Once you start talking, joe, there is simply no shutting you up.

I can talk for England. haha

 

[Harbal]

I can talk for England. haha

Talk about God, then. How do you know he's there?

 

[joe90]

creation is proof of his existence.

 

[Harbal]

creation is proof of his existence.

Everything we see around us is proof of its own existence, that's all. To say any more than that is just speculation. I was hoping you would have a better reason than that for thinking God was there.

 

[joe90]

your statement is speculation, you saying everything created its self?

 

[Harbal]

your statement is speculation, you saying everything created its self?

No, I'm saying I don't know how everything came to exist, and why it ended up like it did. That's the only sensible thing I can say. And I'm not speculating about not knowing, because I'm sure that I don't know.

 

[joe90]

so you don't know nothing or believe anything apart from my God doesn't exist, you need to hold up to some sort of world view.

 

[Harbal]

so you don't know nothing or believe anything apart from my God doesn't exist, you need to hold up to some sort of world view.

I don't believe your God does exist, but that's not the same as saying I believe he doesn't exist. He might exist for all I know, but I just don't have any reason to think he does, so it isn't something I believe. I suppose I do have some sort of world view, but when I don't know something, I accept that I don't know.

 

[joe90]

if you don't believe in God do you think murder is wrong and if so why?

 

[Harbal]

if you don't believe in God do you think murder is wrong and if so why?

You will have to define exactly what you mean by the word "murder". Murder is basically any kind of homicide that is against the law, under any particular jurisdiction, so what might be classed as murder in one time and place, may not be classed as such in another time and place. So what, precisely, do you mean by "murder"?