Going to church for the wrong reasons

[Kev45]

"Readers should handle Dr Boot with caution. He ranges across a great selection of thinkers and writers, but often relies on secondary sources [30], so readers need to track down the original context and the use (or misuse) made by commentators. His facts are sometimes awry (for example, he claims that ‘most families’ in the UK pay Inheritance Tax, which actually falls on about 5% of all estates). He recycles a mythicised version of political history since the Puritan revolution, whereby the Massachusetts theocracy [31] and the Cromwellian Commonwealth founded democracy, and the welfare state was a product of anti-Christian humanism."

Joe Boot, 'voice' of the religious right.

Joe Boot review by Lusk

 

[joe90]

I've expressed them? I'm a Christian I believe in holy law? I believe in creation? I believe in objective truth?

you believe your feelings? cased closed?

what would you like to know?

 

[joe90]

"Readers should handle Dr Boot with caution. He ranges across a great selection of thinkers and writers, but often relies on secondary sources [30], so readers need to track down the original context and the use (or misuse) made by commentators. His facts are sometimes awry (for example, he claims that ‘most families’ in the UK pay Inheritance Tax, which actually falls on about 5% of all estates). He recycles a mythicised version of political history since the Puritan revolution, whereby the Massachusetts theocracy [31] and the Cromwellian Commonwealth founded democracy, and the welfare state was a product of anti-Christian humanism."

Joe Boot, 'voice' of the religious right.

Joe Boot review by Lusk

readers beware of Kev.
Radical left who sees scripture through a socialist lens and thinks Jesus was a socialist.

 

[Kev45]

I do believe Jesus could be described as a socialist Joe, and as do many other people.

But Joe, if you are going to post dodgy videos from the far right, then you will probably be called out on it.

And so Joe, if I may, why do you believe that the welfare state is a product of anti-Christian humanism?

Please don't answer with another question, which seems to be your style.

 

[joe90]

Christianity is about charity giving from the heart not forced taxation. we believe what the bible teaches about Christ and who he says he is, not your feelings.

 

[Kev45]

Your version of Christianity Joe, your version, and which isn't mainstream. Thanks for answering.

 

[joe90]

don't forget what version the crown took an oath to protect? the reformed protestant faith. your welcome.

 

[joe90]

 

[Harbal]

I've expressed them? I'm a Christian I believe in holy law? I believe in creation? I believe in objective truth?

you believe your feelings? cased closed?

what would you like to know?

I find it hard to understand how anybody could believe in those things, so I was hoping you were going to explain why you believe in them. But I realise you are a man of few words, and I don't want to put demands on you, so it can remain a mystery, if you like.

 

[Kev45]

In the UK, Joe, religion played a significant role in the creation of a welfare state.

The Archbishop of Canterbury (and York) William Temple in fact argued that the state was an instrument of God to promote human welfare and preserve justice.

That's just a simple fact, Joe.

Can you provide some evidence please from scripture that a god or a Jesus in any way disapproved of the creation of a welfare state?

 

[joe90]

I find it hard to understand how anybody could believe in those things, so I was hoping you were going to explain why you believe in them. But I realise you are a man of few words, and I don't want to put demands on you, so it can remain a mystery, if you like.

I was predestined to believe. haha! I could say the same. I'm fascinated by your beliefs, creating your own internal laws like kings without a country.

 

[joe90]

In the UK, Joe, religion played a significant role in the creation of a welfare state.

The Archbishop of Canterbury (and York) William Temple in fact argued that the state was an instrument of God to promote human welfare and preserve justice.

That's just a simple fact, Joe.

Can you provide some evidence please from scripture that a god or a Jesus in any way disapproved of the creation of a welfare state?

I'm not sure of the question. God does promote welfare and charity but never through the state. its the individuals responsibility as well as the individuals responsibility for his transgressions against the law.

 

[joe90]

do you think God wants you to put your parents in a home and everyone else to pay and care for them, or to honour mother and father and take care of them yourself.?

 

[Kev45]

Joe, you are constantly mocking the religious left wing and their claim that Jesus was a good socialist.

You mock fellow Christians.

Your subjective right-wing views are not evidence from holy scripture that god disapproved of a welfare state. I have just explained that the Church (religion) played a significant role in creating a welfare state in the UK and believed that the state is an instrument of god.

The views of an Archbishop, no less.

A very important person in UK religious circles, Joe.

You can't just shoehorn in religion to meet the criteria of your right-wing political beliefs, it really should be the complete opposite and Joe, I will make a socialist out of you before the year is out.

 

[joe90]

the confessions of faith through out history stand against your statement, use scripture alone to back any claims. what your trying is old heresies regurgitated. ill make a reformed character out of you. Born again like a new man. haha

 

[Kev45]

Lol.

 

[Harbal]

do you think God wants you to put your parents in a home

Of course not, I wouldn't dream of thinking about what God wants.

 

[joe90]

The Fifth Commandment says: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you” (Exodus 20:12). Without the Fifth Commandment, society can (and will) collapse on itself.

 

[Harbal]

The Fifth Commandment says: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you” (Exodus 20:12). Without the Fifth Commandment, society can (and will) collapse on itself.

The commandments are your department, joe. I'm not too keen on commandments.

 

[joe90]

The Fifth Commandment says: “Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you” (Exodus 20:12). Without the Fifth Commandment, society can (and will) collapse on itself.

The commandments are your department, joe. I'm not too keen on commandments.

I know we gathered. cannibalism is good, Holy law is bad.