Why I don't trust the Bible.

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WOW...What a sad life you must lead...

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Sad indeed....Altair.

So you don't understand how difficult it can be for some to write posts on a mobile, how often speelcheck can alter our words etc, how much longer it can take than typing posts on a computer.

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Everyone else is either a "troll", "satan", or a "demon" according to this plum.

As soon as they demonstrate they know (understand) more about Holy Scripture than he does.

I thought Jehovah Witnesses job was to actively preach "the truth" about the impending 'Armageddon' they predict (over and over again)?

Because this one couldn't sell a lifebuoy to a drowning man.

And who is still trying to deceive people that The New World translation of the Holy Scriptures and the Bible are one and the same thing.

In 1963, theologian Anthony A. Hoekema wrote, "Their New World Translation of the Bible is by no means an objective rendering of the sacred text into modern English, but is a biased translation in which many of the peculiar teachings of the Watchtower Society are smuggled into the text of the Bible itself."​




Stop grovelling and grow a backbone.
Hi Kev.... Yes, absolutely.
That's a trouble with much of Christianity which has so reversed itself in to other religions, cultures and beliefs as to lose the identity of the man who led a mission against injustice and greed so long ago.
 

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Hello Smew,

I enjoyed your posts, informative and interesting.

I feel that, and I bow down to your superior knowledge on this topic, the watering down and or different interpretations by various religious institutions or groups etc has indeed muddied the water. The core message of an individual named Jesus now often lost in translation. An attempt by 'man' (men) to intellectualise, if you like, in order to gain sole ownership of a Jesus or a god and when the 'original' message could not have been simpler or much clearer.

Politicisation and commercialism further muddies the water and sermons now driving "personal gain or wealth" are so far removed from social justice and or tackling inequality or oppression etc that they do indeed do a real disservice to what a man called Jesus once wanted to achieve.
 

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Hello Smew,

I enjoyed your posts, informative and interesting.

I feel that, and I bow down to your superior knowledge on this topic, the watering down and or different interpretations by various religious institutions or groups etc has indeed muddied the water. The core message of an individual named Jesus now often lost in translation. An attempt by 'man' (men) to intellectualise, if you like, in order to gain sole ownership of a Jesus or a god and when the 'original' message could not have been simpler or much clearer.

Politicisation and commercialism further muddies the water and sermons now driving "personal gain or wealth" are so far removed from social justice and or tackling inequality or oppression etc that they do indeed do a real disservice to what a man called Jesus once wanted to achieve.
I think that you have it, right there.

It's easy to see how far Christianity has left the values of Jesus behind, simply by reading what he said and then comparing that with how much of Christianity has and does live, such as the fat wealth of many church clergies, etc.

I do like much about church communities in the UK, but it's the togetherness of the good ones that is so laudable rather than some of their crazy ideas about Jesus.
 

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Yes, growing numbers of church communities across the UK are beginning to organise/mobilise in large numbers in an attempt to steer the conversation back in line with the building blocks, the foundations of Christianity.

Reclaiming an identity of Christianity as one that actively engages with and challenges injustice, fight inequality, support social justice and of course reflecting the life and mission of a man called Jesus.

This dissent goes all the way to the top in some instances, but unfortunately there are also many in the higher echelons who are resistant to change, any change at all, within these religious institutions.

They stubbornly cling on to their beliefs, while observing Christianity crumble around them, simply because the exclusivity they preach leaves no space at all for a more tolerant inclusivity that actually reflects a modern society.

When even children's charities (Children’s Society) are refusing donations from the archbishop of Canterbury, on the grounds “it would not be consistent with the principles and values that underpin our work”, then you realize just how much of an uphill battle it really is.
 

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Yes, growing numbers of church communities across the UK are beginning to organise/mobilise in large numbers in an attempt to steer the conversation back in line with the building blocks, the foundations of Christianity.

Reclaiming an identity of Christianity as one that actively engages with and challenges injustice, fight inequality, support social justice and of course reflecting the life and mission of a man called Jesus.

This dissent goes all the way to the top in some instances, but unfortunately there are also many in the higher echelons who are resistant to change, any change at all, within these religious institutions.

They stubbornly cling on to their beliefs, while observing Christianity crumble around them, simply because the exclusivity they preach leaves no space at all for a more tolerant inclusivity that actually reflects a modern society.

When even children's charities (Children’s Society) are refusing donations from the archbishop of Canterbury, on the grounds “it would not be consistent with the principles and values that underpin our work”, then you realize just how much of an uphill battle it really is.
Exactly so!
Churches around here are changing, they invite anyone to CAMEO tea-n-chat dates (come and meet each other), they support and some marry same sex couples, ordain female priests, vicars and pastors, and are reassessing the foundations of their churches, whilst holding to the resurrection. I visit a CAMEO meeting every week which is attended by various denominations as well as agnostics, atheists and gfolks like me (deists).
The churches that are rethinking about themselves are rising.
 

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During my childhood, a military background, and wherever we lived in the world, the equivalent of CAMEO was the norm. Not necessarily a place where religion was at the forefront barking out orders, reminding us who is the boss, but rather sitting confidently and modestly in the background. An inclusive space that brought the younger army community closer (to a certain degree), both officer and rank and file. Positively rather than negatively, widening the pre-existing class driven social divide within the Armed Forces.

My first serious girlfriend was an officer's daughter I met at a church run army youth club in Germany. Imagine it, an uneducated gobby street urchin, an army brat, introduced to a mysterious exotic world where drinking a glass of wine at 'dinner' was the norm and where adults treated you like a human being rather than with a backhand at the side of the head when you got lippy. :)

If you are reading Carol, I bet that you ended up marrying a posh bloke called Hugo from Surrey, got divorced 25 years later and opened a yoga retreat in Thailand to "find yourself". :mad:

At its very best, religion is inclusive and brings together people despite their background or social class, if it doesn't modernise and separate from a failed establishment (monarchy and politics) in the UK, it will inevitably whither and die and probably deserves to.
 

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During my childhood, a military background, and wherever we lived in the world, the equivalent of CAMEO was the norm. Not necessarily a place where religion was at the forefront barking out orders, reminding us who is the boss, but rather sitting confidently and modestly in the background. An inclusive space that brought the younger army community closer (to a certain degree), both officer and rank and file. Positively rather than negatively, widening the pre-existing class driven social divide within the Armed Forces.

My first serious girlfriend was an officer's daughter I met at a church run army youth club in Germany. Imagine it, an uneducated gobby street urchin, an army brat, introduced to a mysterious exotic world where drinking a glass of wine at 'dinner' was the norm and where adults treated you like a human being rather than with a backhand at the side of the head when you got lippy. :)

If you are reading Carol, I bet that you ended up marrying a posh bloke called Hugo from Surrey, got divorced 25 years later and opened a yoga retreat in Thailand to "find yourself". :mad:

At its very best, religion is inclusive and brings together people despite their background or social class, if it doesn't modernise and separate from a failed establishment (monarchy and politics) in the UK, it will inevitably whither and die and probably deserves to.
I enjoyed your story in the above post.

Yes, I go to a Cameo meeting each week, and an amazing spread of backgrounds, beliefs and pasts is represented at it. And each one of us values this event so much.
And we never argue about anything..... each person can explain their past and present without fear or challenge.

Sounds like you had a tough youth and upbringing.
 

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No tougher than anyone else from a working-class Irish Catholic background, it was the norm, and we all had it tough in that era. The military opened my eyes to a middle class who had more opportunities simply because they believed in education, they didn't force their religious views down your throat, and were a lot more laid back generally. I became an apostate in my early 20s, I didn't want to celebrate a life being dirt poor and then rewarded for it in an afterlife. Catholic guilt, which suppressed and held us back, and nothing more or nothing less.

I respect anyone of faith, as long as they practice, or at least try to, what they preach. Too many hangers on riding on the coattails of religion, distorting it beyond recognition, to suit their values and ideology and sweet FA to do with what a man called Jesus believed in.

Thanks for the civilised chat, and enjoy your Christmas and everyone else. :)
 

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Military Background?... Absolute bollox. You know this and so do I.

You have only had ONE Girlfriend in your life and she left you because you were a lying cvnt and all the time you actually fancied men.

When you realised you were Gay.... you kept it a secret from her and yourself.

I can smell a nasty Gay when I see one.

You 'Cover' you post with 'Religion'... A tactic often used by those who wish to try and cover their tracks.

Prove me wrong?.
That was your Christmas message, eh? :D
 

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Military Background?... Absolute bollox. You know this and so do I.

You have only had ONE Girlfriend in your life and she left you because you were a lying cvnt and all the time you actually fancied men.

When you realised you were Gay.... you kept it a secret from her and yourself.

I can smell a nasty Gay when I see one.

You 'Cover' you post with 'Religion'... A tactic often used by those who wish to try and cover their tracks.

Prove me wrong?.

I have reported this homophobic moron and his rancid rant
 

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Then there is the truth of what "Kev" actually said.

"btw, I am an apostate, I really don't care, really, really.

Do you understand what apostasy is?

Do you know what the Watchtower, your faith leaders, instruct with regard to apostasy?

They describe apostates as "mentally diseased", don't they, the leaders of your own faith?

Let me educate you what your own faith leaders instruct.


"... The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them. (1 Timothy 6:3, 4) Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers... "Watchtower 2100 Jul 15 Study Ed.

" "How can we safeguard ourselves from following the course of ridiculers? One way is to avoid associating with those who show a critical attitude. (Read Psalm 1:1.) This means that we do not listen to or read anything from apostates." Watchtower Study Edition October 2022 p.20"


Page upon page of abuse on the same thread, and which he removed, of course being the god fearing Christian he says that he is. :)

So, Kev reads this article, saying,
The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them. (1 Timothy 6:3, 4) Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers...",
and then he says,
""btw, I am an apostate, I really don't care, really, really."
So, Kev is acknowledging firstly that he is apostate, and he even shared a scripture for us. But he also claimed the New World Translation is not the same. So I'll present my case with Kev's information. Thank you Kev.

Let's look at the scripture: 1Timothy 6:3-4 says this in the Greek Interlinear:
"If anyone teaches a different doctrine, and does not come forward with healthy words, the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and in the [according to piety, instruction], he is dulled [nothing, having knowledge of], but diseased concerning inquiries and arguings over words, of which becomes envies, strife, blasphemies, [opinions bad].

Here's what the KJV says:
If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Here's the Emphatic Diaglott (Vatican manuscript 1209):
"If any one teach differently, and not assents to being sound in words in those of the Lord of us Jesus Anointed, and so that according to piety teaching; he is puffed up, nothing being versed in, but being sick about questions and strifes of words, out of which arises envy, strife, evil-speakings, suspicions wicked,"

...and seeming how Kev claims it's different, let's look at the New World Translation. Firstly, we'll use the older one, for the sake of the wording that Kev used.
"If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions,"

and the version of the New World Translation, released in 2013 says,
"If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions,"

Well, I thank Kev, for clearing that up for us. He is right. The scripture DOES say he's mentally diseased in some of those translations by his very definition of calling himself an apostate.

Also, the New World Translation is no different. I don't know why he has to lie for. It's produced in hundreds of languages, and available to anyone with an internet connection, so they can read it themselves.

Also, it shows that the brothers DO follow the scriptures in this instance with view to apostates. Poor Kev. He'll have to take God to court, as it isn't Jehovah's Witnesses who wrote the Bible. They (I'm not yet one of Jehovah's Witnesses although Kev thinks it) just do what the Bible says, as they believe it is God's word. I do too.

But I don't believe Kev "really don't care, really, really". Because if Kev didn't, they'd not be stalking me all around the internet with its vile speech, lies and accusations. Why won't they put me on ignore, and stop stalking me?
 

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"You should accept the definition of apostates as defined by Jehovah’s Witnesses’ literature (not the Bible, because the Bible says no such thing). You should accept that apostates are mentally diseased. You should loathe and hate apostates."


But let's get to the nub of it, he is so used to shouting down people in main chat that he quickly loses the plot on more equal terms on the forum. It would help his case more if he quoted what I wrote in context, and in the order it was written. Unfortunately for him, the quotes and links I provided were QUOTES from HIS own 'faith' (sect) leaders.

So he has publicly acknowledged that "Kev" said no such thing regarding communicating with "Kev" with regard to apostasy and therefore, his accusation was false, he is a liar, and it really is as simple as that.

A slippery, sly, deceitful, liar.

The point "Kev" was making is and is making, is why is this permanently ANGRY and AGGRESSIVE so-called Jehovah Witness, so desperate to constantly engage in ANGRY conflict with me and when his own damn faith forbids any communication, at all, in my particular case, with an apostate.

NO COMMUNICATION AT ALL.

It's not my opinion, it's simply what the Watchtower, his faith leaders, have dictated.

He is DISOBEYING instruction from his own 'faith' leaders.

For the 4th time, for the cloth eared (him) I am an apostate.

Also, in case I didn't make my self clear on this thread, his version of the Bible (New World Translation) is NOT an honest translation of original Holy Scripture, the Bible, and yet he is still trying to deceive people on this site that it is.

Again that is NOT my personal opinion, the links and quotes supplied on this thread, by biblical scholars, experts in their field, explain why, in detail.

Lastly, Jehovah Witnesses, real ones, are FORBIDDEN from engaging with, or exposing themselves to pornography, in ANY context.

Any context at all. :)
 

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Why on earth would you not believe in the bible - a book that has talking snakes, demonic pigs and angels floating about. It all sounds completely plausible like Santa Claus.
 

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But I don't believe Kev "really don't care, really, really". Because if Kev didn't, they'd not be stalking me all around the internet with its vile speech, lies and accusations. Why won't they put me on ignore, and stop stalking me?

God almighty, when brains were handed out, you were not even in the queue sweetheart.

Vile speech, stalking you around the internet, really?

I joined this site long before you joined, you wrong un.



As you openly admit, you removed the worst excesses of your foul abuse, being the sly little sausage that you really are, but take a guess who typed these abusive comments?

I can assure you 100% right now that it wasn't me.


"You're simply too stupid to talk to. Best wishes, you poor, poor, stupid bastard."

"You're a funny guy. Not very bright, but yeah, quite funny."

"You're a dead man walking in your current state. I feel sorry for you that your pride is so large that it will be the death of you, but thanks for your future contribution in making the earth a paradise by fertilising the gardens for us."

"You can only be superficial, as depth is just beyond you. You know nothing, and you make a lot of noise."

"I think he's very sick. Very ill. Mentally and emotionally. Sorry for deleting the comments, but there was just no point in giving him anything. I'll talk about him, not to him."


Guess who typed those abusive comments, go on?

Particularly the last one, which reveals who the actual stalker really is here, right?

What kind of devout Christian uses "vile" and abusive language like that anyway? :)

Edit: The quote system didn't work.
 

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God almighty, when brains were handed out, you were not even in the queue sweetheart.

Vile speech, stalking you around the internet, really?

I joined this site long before you joined, you wrong un.
What does that mean? Because you joined THIS site first, it means you don't go following people around the internet harassing them? Let me show you otherwise, even on this one site...


As you openly admit, you removed the worst excesses of your foul abuse, being the sly little sausage that you really are, but take a guess who typed these abusive comments?
First of all, I removed ALL comments to you. Do you remember? No, of course not. They weren't "the worst excesses", as you make out. This is what you're like though. You slander, exaggerate, and use half-truths. Just like the Devil does. But also, mine were responses to yours. Remember? No, of course not. You don't know what you type. Let me remind you of your first smart comments on here, and then the stupid ones that you typed straight after it.
Here's a good one...
I 100% agree. Which is why I avoid commenting on any debate or political threads. I posted on the more light-hearted threads, and they were instantly pushed down by four or five negative threads where only one person types on them.
Yeah? You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads. LOL. Like I said. Funny guy, but not very bright. Why not? Because you posted THIS on 28/11/2022, and then you posted THIS on 11/12/2022.
I 100% agree. That's exactly why I don't bother contributing myself. I browsed through the recent board topics yesterday, the new world cup thread is just about the only thread that doesn't involve conspiracy theories of some sort, and hard right rhetoric. I also deleted a post yesterday because ultimately it is pointless trying to engage with people who spam boards with YouTube videos and "sheep" insults and who are incapable of holding a conversation that doesn't revolve around them and their views.
AND...
Paul gets up for work at 6am and fills his kettle to prepare his morning cuppa. The water is clean because some woke tree-hugger fought for minimum water-quality standards. Paul prepares his bacon and eggs, and the bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat industry.
So, let's get this right.
1) You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads.
2) You don't bother contributing yourself, but
3) You comment on their "hard right rhetoric" - sounds pretty political to me
4) You call a person a "woke tree-hugger", so you're against people caring for the environment by mockery, and then call another a "girly-man" <--I'd say that's a bit political. Wouldn't you? No?

Also, from here, December 2022, anyone can look back at your chat history, and count how many people you've abused in conversations that you say you're not involved in.


"You're simply too stupid to talk to. Best wishes, you poor, poor, stupid bastard."
You are. You ARE stupid. If you weren't stupid, you'd not be following me around the web. That demonstrates your stupidity. Also, consider this comment of yours, from 2022,
Sherbet fountain, top tip don’t start chewing the liquorish until you are at least 2 1/3s down the tube. It took discipline, bu it could be done.
LOL WHAT??? At least 2 AND ONE THIRDS down the tube??? Go back to school! Start at pre-school. No, it can't be done, Kev!!! Peanut brain! Buy a maths book. Ask the cashier how much change he should give you.
Let's look at another Kev funny. It's true, you ARE a former comedian.
No question was asked, it isn't complex at all, in fact it is really rather simple. 550 members of the LGBT community were subjected to violence each month between May and August. That is a fact. I didn't introduce the LGBT topic and was merely responding in kind. That is also a fact.
Actually, the person you're responding to did in fact ask you questions, and then stated in his comment that those questions need addressing. Grammarly explains "syntax" as "...the arrangement of words and phrases in a specific order that affects the meaning of sentences." I suggest you go and learn a bit of it.
But again, thanks for the laughs.



"You're a funny guy. Not very bright, but yeah, quite funny."
This is true too. I mean, you can't even get into a debate section and actually lay a point out. That means after all this time, you STILL don't know how to debate. You'd think after all these years, you'd have done some form of training. But no. So, you demonstrate your lack of "bright" here in that you love to be on the debate section, but not to debate, just to vomit.
Also, as the other examples have shown, you are a funny guy. But your mathematic skills and comprehension do suffer. I've posted some examples above.



"You're a dead man walking in your current state. I feel sorry for you that your pride is so large that it will be the death of you, but thanks for your future contribution in making the earth a paradise by fertilising the gardens for us."
Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true. Thank you again in advance. Too offended to see the warnings. LOL


"You can only be superficial, as depth is just beyond you. You know nothing, and you make a lot of noise."
I don't even need to respond based on anything you've said to me. Those examples above show that you can't understand simple sentences, let alone paragraphs.


"I think he's very sick. Very ill. Mentally and emotionally. Sorry for deleting the comments, but there was just no point in giving him anything. I'll talk about him, not to him."
Yes, very true. I think you need help, but you're too proud to get it. Add to that, "addicted to stalking people around the net and slagging them off. In fact, he even calls himself "mentally diseased". Why, you even called a person a "girly-man" and then go off on your claims about how much of a big, brave man you are standing up for the rights of the disadvantaged and discriminated against.


Guess who typed those abusive comments, go on?
Hmm...that'd be me. Now, why don't you tell the whole story. If there was no limit to the size of this thread, I'd post hundreds of examples of YOU attacking others for jest. But you cry when you get your own back.


Particularly the last one, which reveals who the actual stalker really is here, right?
I don't follow you around, chasing your comments down. You respond to mine, and I respond back. Why can't you see that? Never mind. I know the answer.


What kind of devout Christian uses "vile" and abusive language like that anyway? :)
Like what exactly? Calling you a stalker (which you are), who's demonstrated they can't debate in a debate room? Consistently trying to attack me? Having to devote their life to internet stalking of people who ignore them? That's you. Not me. But, I do indeed respond. I know you don't like it, but see, if you attack someone, expect them to defend themselves. If you don't want it, then stop being the aggressor.

Oh. I forgot. Here.
:)
 
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Why on earth would you not believe in the bible - a book that has talking snakes, demonic pigs and angels floating about. It all sounds completely plausible like Santa Claus.
Oh. You didn't celebrate Xmas this year then?
 

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What does that mean? Because you joined THIS site first, it means you don't go following people around the internet harassing them? Let me show you otherwise, even on this one site...



First of all, I removed ALL comments to you. Do you remember? No, of course not. They weren't "the worst excesses", as you make out. This is what you're like though. You slander, exaggerate, and use half-truths. Just like the Devil does. But also, mine were responses to yours. Remember? No, of course not. You don't know what you type. Let me remind you of your first smart comments on here, and then the stupid ones that you typed straight after it.
Here's a good one...

Yeah? You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads. LOL. Like I said. Funny guy, but not very bright. Why not? Because you posted THIS on 28/11/2022, and then you posted THIS on 11/12/2022.

AND...

So, let's get this right.
1) You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads.
2) You don't bother contributing yourself, but
3) You comment on their "hard right rhetoric" - sounds pretty political to me
4) You call a person a "woke tree-hugger", so you're against people caring for the environment by mockery, and then call another a "girly-man" <--I'd say that's a bit political. Wouldn't you? No?

Also, from here, December 2022, anyone can look back at your chat history, and count how many people you've abused in conversations that you say you're not involved in.



You are. You ARE stupid. If you weren't stupid, you'd not be following me around the web. That demonstrates your stupidity. Also, consider this comment of yours, from 2022,

LOL WHAT??? At least 2 AND ONE THIRDS down the tube??? Go back to school! Start at pre-school. No, it can't be done, Kev!!! Peanut brain! Buy a maths book. Ask the cashier how much change he should give you.
Let's look at another Kev funny. It's true, you ARE a former comedian.

Actually, the person you're responding to did in fact ask you questions, and then stated in his comment that those questions need addressing. Grammarly explains "syntax" as "...the arrangement of words and phrases in a specific order that affects the meaning of sentences." I suggest you go and learn a bit of it.
But again, thanks for the laughs.




This is true too. I mean, you can't even get into a debate section and actually lay a point out. That means after all this time, you STILL don't know how to debate. You'd think after all these years, you'd have done some form of training. But no. So, you demonstrate your lack of "bright" here in that you love to be on the debate section, but not to debate, just to vomit.
Also, as the other examples have shown, you are a funny guy. But your mathematic skills and comprehension do suffer. I've posted some examples above.




Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true. Thank you again in advance. Too offended to see the warnings. LOL



I don't even need to respond based on anything you've said to me. Those examples above show that you can't understand simple sentences, let alone paragraphs.



Yes, very true. I think you need help, but you're too proud to get it. Add to that, "addicted to stalking people around the net and slagging them off. In fact, he even calls himself "mentally diseased". Why, you even called a person a "girly-man" and then go off on your claims about how much of a big, brave man you are standing up for the rights of the disadvantaged and discriminated against.



Hmm...that'd be me. Now, why don't you tell the whole story. If there was no limit to the size of this thread, I'd post hundreds of examples of YOU attacking others for jest. But you cry when you get your own back.



I don't follow you around, chasing your comments down. You respond to mine, and I respond back. Why can't you see that? Never mind. I know the answer.



Like what exactly? Calling you a stalker (which you are), who's demonstrated they can't debate in a debate room? Consistently trying to attack me? Having to devote their life to internet stalking of people who ignore them? That's you. Not me. But, I do indeed respond. I know you don't like it, but see, if you attack someone, expect them to defend themselves. If you don't want it, then stop being the aggressor.

Oh. I forgot. Here.
:)

Quoted the entire post before you remove it when you are sober. :)
 
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