Why I don't trust the Bible.

[A_Son_of_God]

Then there is the truth of what "Kev" actually said.

"btw, I am an apostate, I really don't care, really, really.

Do you understand what apostasy is?

Do you know what the Watchtower, your faith leaders, instruct with regard to apostasy?

They describe apostates as "mentally diseased", don't they, the leaders of your own faith?

Let me educate you what your own faith leaders instruct.


"... The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them. (1 Timothy 6:3, 4) Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers... "Watchtower 2100 Jul 15 Study Ed.

" "How can we safeguard ourselves from following the course of ridiculers? One way is to avoid associating with those who show a critical attitude. (Read Psalm 1:1.) This means that we do not listen to or read anything from apostates." Watchtower Study Edition October 2022 p.20"

Thread 'Sexist deeply offended after being called a misogynist.'

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A TRADITIONAL sexist was left feeling hurt after being branded a woman-hating misogynist.

Martin Bishop of Leeds enjoys leering, wolf-whistling and breast-and-arse-related ‘banter’, so was mortified when someone suggested he had a problem with the opposite sex.

Bishop said: “I see myself very much as a ‘Jack the lad’ figure. I love talking about women’s bodies and cracking jokes about how they belong in the kitchen. You know – traditional, wholesome sexism.

“But the other day I was hitting on some tart in a club and she had the nerve to call me a ‘misogynistic pig’ – just because...

• Kev45
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Page upon page of abuse on the same thread, and which he removed, of course being the god fearing Christian he says that he is.

So, Kev reads this article, saying,

The Bible says that apostates are mentally diseased and that they use their teachings to make others think like them. (1 Timothy 6:3, 4) Jehovah is like that good doctor. He clearly tells us to stay away from false teachers...",

and then he says,

""btw, I am an apostate, I really don't care, really, really."

So, Kev is acknowledging firstly that he is apostate, and he even shared a scripture for us. But he also claimed the New World Translation is not the same. So I'll present my case with Kev's information. Thank you Kev.

Let's look at the scripture: 1Timothy 6:3-4 says this in the Greek Interlinear:

"If anyone teaches a different doctrine, and does not come forward with healthy words, the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and in the [according to piety, instruction], he is dulled [nothing, having knowledge of], but diseased concerning inquiries and arguings over words, of which becomes envies, strife, blasphemies, [opinions bad].

Here's what the KJV says:

If any man teach otherwise, and consent not to wholesome words, even the words of our Lord Jesus Christ, and to the doctrine which is according to godliness; He is proud, knowing nothing, but doting about questions and strifes of words, whereof cometh envy, strife, railings, evil surmisings,

Here's the Emphatic Diaglott (Vatican manuscript 1209):

"If any one teach differently, and not assents to being sound in words in those of the Lord of us Jesus Anointed, and so that according to piety teaching; he is puffed up, nothing being versed in, but being sick about questions and strifes of words, out of which arises envy, strife, evil-speakings, suspicions wicked,"

...and seeming how Kev claims it's different, let's look at the New World Translation. Firstly, we'll use the older one, for the sake of the wording that Kev used.

"If any man teaches other doctrine and does not assent to healthful words, those of our Lord Jesus Christ, nor to the teaching that accords with godly devotion, he is puffed up [with pride], not understanding anything, but being mentally diseased over questionings and debates about words. From these things spring envy, strife, abusive speeches, wicked suspicions,"

and the version of the New World Translation, released in 2013 says,

"If any man teaches another doctrine and does not agree with the wholesome instruction, which is from our Lord Jesus Christ, nor with the teaching that is in harmony with godly devotion, he is puffed up with pride and does not understand anything. He is obsessed with arguments and debates about words. These things give rise to envy, strife, slander, wicked suspicions,"

Well, I thank Kev, for clearing that up for us. He is right. The scripture DOES say he's mentally diseased in some of those translations by his very definition of calling himself an apostate.

Also, the New World Translation is no different. I don't know why he has to lie for. It's produced in hundreds of languages, and available to anyone with an internet connection, so they can read it themselves.

Also, it shows that the brothers DO follow the scriptures in this instance with view to apostates. Poor Kev. He'll have to take God to court, as it isn't Jehovah's Witnesses who wrote the Bible. They (I'm not yet one of Jehovah's Witnesses although Kev thinks it) just do what the Bible says, as they believe it is God's word. I do too.

But I don't believe Kev "really don't care, really, really". Because if Kev didn't, they'd not be stalking me all around the internet with its vile speech, lies and accusations. Why won't they put me on ignore, and stop stalking me?

 

[Kev45]

"You should accept the definition of apostates as defined by Jehovah’s Witnesses’ literature (not the Bible, because the Bible says no such thing). You should accept that apostates are mentally diseased. You should loathe and hate apostates."

Jehovah's Witnesses' Rules - avoid jw.org

There are over 200 rules that govern every aspect of a Jehovah's Witness' life. They must follow these rules or risk being disfellowshipped if they do not.

avoidjw.org

But let's get to the nub of it, he is so used to shouting down people in main chat that he quickly loses the plot on more equal terms on the forum. It would help his case more if he quoted what I wrote in context, and in the order it was written. Unfortunately for him, the quotes and links I provided were QUOTES from HIS own 'faith' (sect) leaders.

So he has publicly acknowledged that "Kev" said no such thing regarding communicating with "Kev" with regard to apostasy and therefore, his accusation was false, he is a liar, and it really is as simple as that.

A slippery, sly, deceitful, liar.

The point "Kev" was making is and is making, is why is this permanently ANGRY and AGGRESSIVE so-called Jehovah Witness, so desperate to constantly engage in ANGRY conflict with me and when his own damn faith forbids any communication, at all, in my particular case, with an apostate.

NO COMMUNICATION AT ALL.

It's not my opinion, it's simply what the Watchtower, his faith leaders, have dictated.

He is DISOBEYING instruction from his own 'faith' leaders.

For the 4th time, for the cloth eared (him) I am an apostate.

Also, in case I didn't make my self clear on this thread, his version of the Bible (New World Translation) is NOT an honest translation of original Holy Scripture, the Bible, and yet he is still trying to deceive people on this site that it is.

Again that is NOT my personal opinion, the links and quotes supplied on this thread, by biblical scholars, experts in their field, explain why, in detail.

Lastly, Jehovah Witnesses, real ones, are FORBIDDEN from engaging with, or exposing themselves to pornography, in ANY context.

Any context at all.

 

[DrWolf]

Why on earth would you not believe in the bible - a book that has talking snakes, demonic pigs and angels floating about. It all sounds completely plausible like Santa Claus.

 

[Kev45]

But I don't believe Kev "really don't care, really, really". Because if Kev didn't, they'd not be stalking me all around the internet with its vile speech, lies and accusations. Why won't they put me on ignore, and stop stalking me?

God almighty, when brains were handed out, you were not even in the queue sweetheart.

Vile speech, stalking you around the internet, really?

I joined this site long before you joined, you wrong un.



As you openly admit, you removed the worst excesses of your foul abuse, being the sly little sausage that you really are, but take a guess who typed these abusive comments?

I can assure you 100% right now that it wasn't me.


"You're simply too stupid to talk to. Best wishes, you poor, poor, stupid bastard."

"You're a funny guy. Not very bright, but yeah, quite funny."

"You're a dead man walking in your current state. I feel sorry for you that your pride is so large that it will be the death of you, but thanks for your future contribution in making the earth a paradise by fertilising the gardens for us."

"You can only be superficial, as depth is just beyond you. You know nothing, and you make a lot of noise."

"I think he's very sick. Very ill. Mentally and emotionally. Sorry for deleting the comments, but there was just no point in giving him anything. I'll talk about him, not to him."


Guess who typed those abusive comments, go on?

Particularly the last one, which reveals who the actual stalker really is here, right?

What kind of devout Christian uses "vile" and abusive language like that anyway?

Edit: The quote system didn't work.

 

[A_Son_of_God]

God almighty, when brains were handed out, you were not even in the queue sweetheart.

Vile speech, stalking you around the internet, really?

I joined this site long before you joined, you wrong un.

What does that mean? Because you joined THIS site first, it means you don't go following people around the internet harassing them? Let me show you otherwise, even on this one site...

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As you openly admit, you removed the worst excesses of your foul abuse, being the sly little sausage that you really are, but take a guess who typed these abusive comments?

First of all, I removed ALL comments to you. Do you remember? No, of course not. They weren't "the worst excesses", as you make out. This is what you're like though. You slander, exaggerate, and use half-truths. Just like the Devil does. But also, mine were responses to yours. Remember? No, of course not. You don't know what you type. Let me remind you of your first smart comments on here, and then the stupid ones that you typed straight after it.
Here's a good one...

I 100% agree. Which is why I avoid commenting on any debate or political threads. I posted on the more light-hearted threads, and they were instantly pushed down by four or five negative threads where only one person types on them.

Yeah? You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads. LOL. Like I said. Funny guy, but not very bright. Why not? Because you posted THIS on 28/11/2022, and then you posted THIS on 11/12/2022.

I 100% agree. That's exactly why I don't bother contributing myself. I browsed through the recent board topics yesterday, the new world cup thread is just about the only thread that doesn't involve conspiracy theories of some sort, and hard right rhetoric. I also deleted a post yesterday because ultimately it is pointless trying to engage with people who spam boards with YouTube videos and "sheep" insults and who are incapable of holding a conversation that doesn't revolve around them and their views.

AND...

Paul gets up for work at 6am and fills his kettle to prepare his morning cuppa. The water is clean because some woke tree-hugger fought for minimum water-quality standards. Paul prepares his bacon and eggs, and the bacon is safe to eat because some girly-man liberal fought for laws to regulate the meat industry.

So, let's get this right.
1) You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads.
2) You don't bother contributing yourself, but
3) You comment on their "hard right rhetoric" - sounds pretty political to me
4) You call a person a "woke tree-hugger", so you're against people caring for the environment by mockery, and then call another a "girly-man" <--I'd say that's a bit political. Wouldn't you? No?

Also, from here, December 2022, anyone can look back at your chat history, and count how many people you've abused in conversations that you say you're not involved in.

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"You're simply too stupid to talk to. Best wishes, you poor, poor, stupid bastard."

You are. You ARE stupid. If you weren't stupid, you'd not be following me around the web. That demonstrates your stupidity. Also, consider this comment of yours, from 2022,

Sherbet fountain, top tip don’t start chewing the liquorish until you are at least 2 1/3s down the tube. It took discipline, bu it could be done.

LOL WHAT??? At least 2 AND ONE THIRDS down the tube??? Go back to school! Start at pre-school. No, it can't be done, Kev!!! Peanut brain! Buy a maths book. Ask the cashier how much change he should give you.
Let's look at another Kev funny. It's true, you ARE a former comedian.

No question was asked, it isn't complex at all, in fact it is really rather simple. 550 members of the LGBT community were subjected to violence each month between May and August. That is a fact. I didn't introduce the LGBT topic and was merely responding in kind. That is also a fact.

Actually, the person you're responding to did in fact ask you questions, and then stated in his comment that those questions need addressing. Grammarly explains "syntax" as "...the arrangement of words and phrases in a specific order that affects the meaning of sentences." I suggest you go and learn a bit of it.
But again, thanks for the laughs.

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"You're a funny guy. Not very bright, but yeah, quite funny."

This is true too. I mean, you can't even get into a debate section and actually lay a point out. That means after all this time, you STILL don't know how to debate. You'd think after all these years, you'd have done some form of training. But no. So, you demonstrate your lack of "bright" here in that you love to be on the debate section, but not to debate, just to vomit.
Also, as the other examples have shown, you are a funny guy. But your mathematic skills and comprehension do suffer. I've posted some examples above.

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"You're a dead man walking in your current state. I feel sorry for you that your pride is so large that it will be the death of you, but thanks for your future contribution in making the earth a paradise by fertilising the gardens for us."

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true. Thank you again in advance. Too offended to see the warnings. LOL

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"You can only be superficial, as depth is just beyond you. You know nothing, and you make a lot of noise."

I don't even need to respond based on anything you've said to me. Those examples above show that you can't understand simple sentences, let alone paragraphs.

---

"I think he's very sick. Very ill. Mentally and emotionally. Sorry for deleting the comments, but there was just no point in giving him anything. I'll talk about him, not to him."

Yes, very true. I think you need help, but you're too proud to get it. Add to that, "addicted to stalking people around the net and slagging them off. In fact, he even calls himself "mentally diseased". Why, you even called a person a "girly-man" and then go off on your claims about how much of a big, brave man you are standing up for the rights of the disadvantaged and discriminated against.

---

Guess who typed those abusive comments, go on?

Hmm...that'd be me. Now, why don't you tell the whole story. If there was no limit to the size of this thread, I'd post hundreds of examples of YOU attacking others for jest. But you cry when you get your own back.

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Particularly the last one, which reveals who the actual stalker really is here, right?

I don't follow you around, chasing your comments down. You respond to mine, and I respond back. Why can't you see that? Never mind. I know the answer.

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What kind of devout Christian uses "vile" and abusive language like that anyway?

Like what exactly? Calling you a stalker (which you are), who's demonstrated they can't debate in a debate room? Consistently trying to attack me? Having to devote their life to internet stalking of people who ignore them? That's you. Not me. But, I do indeed respond. I know you don't like it, but see, if you attack someone, expect them to defend themselves. If you don't want it, then stop being the aggressor.

Oh. I forgot. Here.

 

[A_Son_of_God]

Why on earth would you not believe in the bible - a book that has talking snakes, demonic pigs and angels floating about. It all sounds completely plausible like Santa Claus.

Oh. You didn't celebrate Xmas this year then?

 

[Kev45]

What does that mean? Because you joined THIS site first, it means you don't go following people around the internet harassing them? Let me show you otherwise, even on this one site...

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First of all, I removed ALL comments to you. Do you remember? No, of course not. They weren't "the worst excesses", as you make out. This is what you're like though. You slander, exaggerate, and use half-truths. Just like the Devil does. But also, mine were responses to yours. Remember? No, of course not. You don't know what you type. Let me remind you of your first smart comments on here, and then the stupid ones that you typed straight after it.
Here's a good one...

Yeah? You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads. LOL. Like I said. Funny guy, but not very bright. Why not? Because you posted THIS on 28/11/2022, and then you posted THIS on 11/12/2022.

AND...

So, let's get this right.
1) You avoid commenting on any debate or political threads.
2) You don't bother contributing yourself, but
3) You comment on their "hard right rhetoric" - sounds pretty political to me
4) You call a person a "woke tree-hugger", so you're against people caring for the environment by mockery, and then call another a "girly-man" <--I'd say that's a bit political. Wouldn't you? No?

Also, from here, December 2022, anyone can look back at your chat history, and count how many people you've abused in conversations that you say you're not involved in.

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You are. You ARE stupid. If you weren't stupid, you'd not be following me around the web. That demonstrates your stupidity. Also, consider this comment of yours, from 2022,

LOL WHAT??? At least 2 AND ONE THIRDS down the tube??? Go back to school! Start at pre-school. No, it can't be done, Kev!!! Peanut brain! Buy a maths book. Ask the cashier how much change he should give you.
Let's look at another Kev funny. It's true, you ARE a former comedian.

Actually, the person you're responding to did in fact ask you questions, and then stated in his comment that those questions need addressing. Grammarly explains "syntax" as "...the arrangement of words and phrases in a specific order that affects the meaning of sentences." I suggest you go and learn a bit of it.
But again, thanks for the laughs.

---

This is true too. I mean, you can't even get into a debate section and actually lay a point out. That means after all this time, you STILL don't know how to debate. You'd think after all these years, you'd have done some form of training. But no. So, you demonstrate your lack of "bright" here in that you love to be on the debate section, but not to debate, just to vomit.
Also, as the other examples have shown, you are a funny guy. But your mathematic skills and comprehension do suffer. I've posted some examples above.

---

Just because you don't see it doesn't mean it's not true. Thank you again in advance. Too offended to see the warnings. LOL

---

I don't even need to respond based on anything you've said to me. Those examples above show that you can't understand simple sentences, let alone paragraphs.

---

Yes, very true. I think you need help, but you're too proud to get it. Add to that, "addicted to stalking people around the net and slagging them off. In fact, he even calls himself "mentally diseased". Why, you even called a person a "girly-man" and then go off on your claims about how much of a big, brave man you are standing up for the rights of the disadvantaged and discriminated against.

---

Hmm...that'd be me. Now, why don't you tell the whole story. If there was no limit to the size of this thread, I'd post hundreds of examples of YOU attacking others for jest. But you cry when you get your own back.

---

I don't follow you around, chasing your comments down. You respond to mine, and I respond back. Why can't you see that? Never mind. I know the answer.

---

Like what exactly? Calling you a stalker (which you are), who's demonstrated they can't debate in a debate room? Consistently trying to attack me? Having to devote their life to internet stalking of people who ignore them? That's you. Not me. But, I do indeed respond. I know you don't like it, but see, if you attack someone, expect them to defend themselves. If you don't want it, then stop being the aggressor.

Oh. I forgot. Here.

Quoted the entire post before you remove it when you are sober.

 

[joe90]

 

[Kev45]

I don't know why you have supplied an MOD medical kit, Joe, Jehovah Witnesses don't believe in the military or politics.

Edited:. He also believes that your religion, and your religious beliefs are and I quote, part of "Babylon the Great", a "world empire of false religion" under the control of Satan.

You little satanist, you.

 

[A_Son_of_God]

Quoted the entire post before you remove it when you are sober.

I'm almost always sober. Anyway. You do what you want with it. It's your record that is established from Dec '22, and your attacks on people as your general way of life as a chatter.

So, say what you want now eh. I'll put you back on ignore again.

 

[A_Son_of_God]

View attachment 16841

The only problem is mate, it's expired. Those Werthers Originals are going to be extremely difficult to get the plastic wrap off.

 

[Kev45]

Ha Ha Ha.

Watch Your Associations in These Last Days.

WE ARE living in “critical times hard to deal with.” Since 1914, when “the last days” began, conditions in the world have become worse than ever before. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) And we can be sure that the world will continue to get worse, because Bible prophecy says that “wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse.”—2 Timothy 3:13.

“Bad associations spoil useful habits”: If we associate with people who do not live by Jehovah’s standards, they can influence us to do what is bad. So we do not choose to spend time with them, become close friends with them, or think of marrying one of them. And we are very careful not to watch, read, or listen to anything that could cause us to disobey God.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/ws20150815/watch-associations-last-days/#?insight%5Bsearch_id%5D=b9e6deb1-182c-4362-b03c-1c9c162f64e1&insight%5Bsearch_result_index%5D=3

 

[A_Son_of_God]

Ha Ha Ha.

Watch Your Associations in These Last Days.

WE ARE living in “critical times hard to deal with.” Since 1914, when “the last days” began, conditions in the world have become worse than ever before. (2 Timothy 3:1-5) And we can be sure that the world will continue to get worse, because Bible prophecy says that “wicked men and impostors will advance from bad to worse.”—2 Timothy 3:13.

“Bad associations spoil useful habits”: If we associate with people who do not live by Jehovah’s standards, they can influence us to do what is bad. So we do not choose to spend time with them, become close friends with them, or think of marrying one of them. And we are very careful not to watch, read, or listen to anything that could cause us to disobey God.

https://www.jw.org/en/library/magazines/ws20150815/watch-associations-last-days/#?insight%5Bsearch_id%5D=b9e6deb1-182c-4362-b03c-1c9c162f64e1&insight%5Bsearch_result_index%5D=3

Oh.
One more thing...
Have a safe year. Now back on ignore you go.

 

[Kev45]

Attack on 'mentally diseased' worshippers who leave church provokes outcry.​

The official magazine for Jehovah's Witnesses has described those who leave the church as "mentally diseased", prompting an outcry from former members and insiders concerned about the shunning of those who question official doctrine.

An article published in July's edition of The Watchtower warns followers to stay clear of "false teachers" who are condemned as being "mentally diseased" apostates who should be avoided at all costs. "Suppose that a doctor told you to avoid contact with someone who is infected with a contagious, deadly disease," the article reads. "You would know what the doctor means, and you would strictly heed his warning. Well, apostates are 'mentally diseased', and they seek to infect others with their disloyal teachings."

As a faith with a centralised leadership, many forms of discipline are used to counter criticism of doctrine, with punishments ranging from restriction of official duties to excommunication. Those who have been thrown out of the church often find themselves ostracised by fellow believers.

A group of former Witnesses in Portsmouth have now made an official complaint to Hampshire Police about the article and police are currently investigating.


Angus Robertson, a former Witness "elder" from Hampshire, who was present at the meeting with police officers, said: "The way scripture is being used to bully people must be challenged. If a religion was preaching that blacks or gays were mentally diseased there would understandable outrage."

Critics are also considering whether to complain to the Charity Commission. The Watchtower Bible and Tract Society of Britain, which prints church doctrine in the UK, is a registered charity.

War of words breaks out among Jehovah's Witnesses

Attack on 'mentally diseased' worshippers who leave church provokes outcry

www.independent.co.uk

 

[Kev45]

Oh.
One more thing...
Have a safe year. Now back on ignore you go.

Stick your creepy passive-aggressive FAKE arsery where the sun doesn't shine, you gaslighting plum.

 

[Kev45]

Jehovah’s Witnesses are told to have complete trust in the information the Governing Body provides them through Watchtower publications. Is such trust deserved? The articles linked to in this section prove otherwise by presenting numerous Watchtower examples of misquotes, misdirection, lies and rhetorical fallacies.

The linked articles show presentation of dishonest information is systemic in Watchtower publications. Watchtower articles are not "accurate and truthful, even regarding seemingly insignificant details." (Yearbook 2011 p.13)

"External research is not recommended, as Watchtower supplies all the information required."

With such trust, Jehovah’s Witnesses are impervious to the manner in which misinformation is presented. There are many ways of presenting information to mislead others, including total dishonesty, incorrect information, misrepresenting a person's position, misquotes, withholding information, use of ambiguous language and rhetorical fallacies.

Examples of misquotes, lies and deception in Watchtower publications

Examples of various techniques to mislead, such as misquotes, lies and deception in Watchtower publications

www.jwfacts.com

 

[A_Son_of_God]

Here is what Jehovah's Witnesses are. You can read it for yourself, or you can read Kev.

https://www.jw.org/en/jehovahs-witnesses/faq/watchtower-society/

 

[Kev45]

The link I posted goes into great detail, courtesy of biblical scholars and academics, the experts, about the lies, spin and misinformation that particular site churns out and the followers of that site.

Think of it like a dodgy second-hand car dealer trying to sell you an old Ford Cortina without an engine but not allowing you to check under the bonnet.

 

[DrWolf]

Oh. You didn't celebrate Xmas this year then?

No

 

[transit]

It's ok that you're a Christian. It means nothing in Real terms. There was NO GOD that committed Genocide.

That GOD that YOU Believe in.....Doesn't actually exist.

I'm sorry..... I really am.

If there WAS a GOD who Created us???... He would be nicer to us than he currently is...!

Why allow Cancer to occur in Children?

The whole thing is a SHAM.

FCuk GOD...And Fcuk Religion.

U look at things too subjectively perhaps altair?