Men

[Whiskers]

i consider that a "normal " man is attracted to a normal woman ( sexually that is ) . ? I doubt they go chasing after other blokes much .
Of course there are a number who i may consider " not " normal " who find other men attractive etc etc .

Lets be more specific ...i think that Nature intended Men to mate with women to produce more Humans ,and that i call "normal " yes ?.

So you're saying a man ain't normal if he doesn't like women....heard it all now lol.....

 

[hell2bwith76]

So you're saying a man ain't normal if he doesn't like women....heard it all now lol.....

you need a refresher course on Biology i think, or maybe return to your own Planet ?

 

[Whiskers]

you need a refresher course on Biology i think, or maybe return to your own Planet ?

You need help lol

 

[hell2bwith76]

You need help lol

I note that you are playing at "Follow my Leader " ? He`ll be proud of you .

 

[Saphire]

It's a complex issue, that's for sure.
From what I read (mainly) but also from what I have seen myself, youngsters can be brainwashed, they can fall in with an 'alternative' group, and find something within it that appeals. Therein lies confusion.

I know a girl who thought she was straight, then gay, then bi, she now will only answer to a boys name, dresses and looks male....and she is still only 21 years old.

I also think schools (in some cases) encourage youngsters confusions....in my day they were called 'fads', now these feelings are dissected and encouraged.
Obviously there is a minority of people with genuine reasons for wanting to change sex, and some of these cases do show from an early age, but no surgery should ever be considered before a certain age.

 

[Wojcik]

It's a complex issue, that's for sure.
From what I read (mainly) but also from what I have seen myself, youngsters can be brainwashed, they can fall in with an 'alternative' group, and find something within it that appeals. Therein lies confusion.

I know a girl who thought she was straight, then gay, then bi, she now will only answer to a boys name, dresses and looks male....and she is still only 21 years old.

I also think schools (in some cases) encourage youngsters confusions....in my day they were called 'fads', now these feelings are dissected and encouraged.
Obviously there is a minority of people with genuine reasons for wanting to change sex, and some of these cases do show from an early age, but no surgery should ever be considered before a certain age.

That's the issue i see with this whole thing. Political leaders in America, in some States, are trying to make and enforce laws so that children can transition, even without the parents consent. This would take away authority from the parents on how they choose to raise their child.
It's possible that the child who believes they are a different gender, may grow out of that phase and choose to continue living as their current.
But if that child fully transitions, because they believed it was the right decision for them, but later regrets that decision, it could impact their life.
One thing the media doesn't report on is the regret that a lot of those who have transitioned have experienced later on in life. But they were encouraged by these ideologues that this was their right path in life, only to realise that it wasn't what they wanted.

They already have transwomen being allowed to stay in women's prisons, causing women to be vulnerable to sexual assault. Next it'll be your personal spaces, they've already made a mockery of Women's Sports. They will go as far as they can, just as long as women remain silent and allow this to continue.

 

[hell2bwith76]

This was my first choice of answer to your question.
Maybe because all minorities matter and they should all be respected regardless of percentage?

All this chatter about some men who consider they are women ,some women who consider they are men; some men who want sex with other men ,some women who want sex with other women ; some men who want sex with both men and women ; and i guess the same applies to the women who are actually men disguised as men ;.it`s a never ending saga of Frakenstein !
I blame the Internet chatters .
Far too many children ar born with serious defects ( but not sexuality !) and the research should go to finding cures for them ,not for Males who think they are females because they (perhaps?) are more gentle than the average male .

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Thats what the LGB Allience are trying to say.

When you add the "T" you go from sexual preference to gender issues they want to avoid.

In my simple opinion, which is shared by the LGB allience.

Arent some of these people who are transitioning simply gay or bisexual?

When you have kids as young as 11 being given life altering drugs to delay the onset of puberty with interviews lasting only 35 minutes should we not be concerned?

Do some parents find comfort in the fact that thier child is not gay, just different.

Why are we changing langauge to compensate for less than 1% of the population?

Defining "Normal" is easy, it is simply what is socially acceptable to the majority.

The problems start to acrue when change comes to fast and is so venemous.

I would like to see proper psychological evidence that transgenderism is not a social meme for people who want to appear different.
I would also like to see what the testing regimens are.

One has to be very sceptical of any changes in psychological beliefs, we have so little knowledge of how the brain works.
But one thing we do know is how social perception of each other and ones self reacts to outside stimuli.

Personally I think the transgender issue is being handled very poorly by both politicians and the activists who push for law changes.
From my understanding, transgender people would rather simply have thier lives simple.
They pass as whatever sex they wish to be and thats enough for them.

I think we have to consider that women are losing thier identity to men simply because they are no longer seen as sacrosanct.
Not in the religous sence, but on a basic biological formulea.

The womens toilets in a nightclub are a safe space to get away from over exuberent male a**h****, now what happens when you can get into a womens toilet just by saying "Im a women".

Well we know, the multiple rapes in womens prisons by men who have partially transitioned.

This chapter from War and Peace on crack, I agree with on every point and couldn't have put it better myself.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

This was my first choice of answer to your question.
Maybe because all minorities matter and they should all be respected regardless of percentage?

But do they?
So, Nazi's matter, people that like stamping on kittens for sexual pleasure matter, paedophiles matter...
We have to be careful when we start throwing around 'Rights' for minority beliefs.

 

[hell2bwith76]

What does being 'simply gay or bisexual' mean?

How do we know that some gays or bisexuals don't feel comfortable as the biological sex they were born ?

Maybe some of them actually do feel as if they were born the wrong sex and feel the need to transition.

Unless someone can explain our "biological " feelings and not just say that they are "gay" etc ,will we ever know what is happening to them ?.

 

[angelo]

Never mind. It was a joke.

oh dear your losing it son

 

[CrazyCatLady]

You have a pretty twisted train of thought.

The argument was about changing language to compare less than 1% of the population, typed by a person who allegedly has a disability, to which I replied that all minorities matter and all should be respected, regardless of percentage.


What if I were to say:

Do we really need a barrier free environment ?
Do we really need special needs teachers?
Do we really need to teach visually impaired people Braille?

(just a few examples)

None of the above apply to me, but given the fact I'm not an idiot and respect other people, I actually care about something that doesn't apply to me personally .

Get where I'm coming from or do I need to spell it out for you?

Let’s first deal with the ‘Twisted train of thought’ accusation. How is what I said a ‘twisted train of thought’? That, you do have to spell out, seeing as what you were replying to was a post on language being accommodated to fit a minority group who share a belief system- not a disability.

You have now twisted what I said to include disability. There’s a big difference and that’s a low blow.

Let me spell this out for you. A disability, while not always physical, impairs or restricts an individual’s ability to live independently or to the extent of those without a disability. This is not something that is in their head or a ‘feeling’, it is a real condition, whether psychological and/or physical and/or in regards to mental capacity and delayed learning. Furthermore, anyone of us can go from being able-bodied/living independently to needing support and being classed as disabled.

Transgenderism is a belief. It is not a disability and does not hinder one’s independence or life in any way, so why does language need to accommodate and change for that? And more so, why do we have to erase a gender in order to accommodate that belief system?

You respect other people, do you? Now you really are twisting things! I’ve seen your posts. You have about as much respect for women and anyone that doesn’t fit your leftie agenda as the terrible twins do! You lot are a fcuking joke! Preach inclusivity, but only if who you include fits your criteria of who deserves to be included.

Get where I’m coming from or do I need to spell it out for you? Moriarty isn’t the only one that can write War and Peace on crack.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

The post was on language, but I was replying to a post written by a person who allegedly has a disability, who wasn't happy about the fact we need to change our language, due to a certain group of people who make up less than 1% of the population.

Your train of thought is twisted - yet again you don't understand.

I used three ‘belief systems’ in an example of a belief system, so how is that a twisted train of thought? Was it the type of extreme belief systems I used perhaps?
Furthermore, while the content of the post you replied to was in regards to gender identification, you chose to pick an attribute of the poster to make a point in your reply.
And I supposedly have a twisted train of thought!

How do you know it doesn't hinder their independence in any way?
Are you perhaps a transgender?
For all you or I know, it could affect any part of their life.

Because I grew up with a transgender woman- my closest cousin- and despite living across the country from her, we still talk regularly and her gender does not restrict her independence. I can assure you that! I have absolutely no doubt that it has affected her mentally- living with what she deemed as the ‘wrong body’ for over 40 years would. But her ability to live, to earn, to socialise, to love and to live a life has not been impeded on. She doesn’t have to depend on others to live, so it’s not a disability, which is what you are quite prepared to equate it to. That in itself is transphobic. I doubt my cousin would say being a transgender woman makes her feel disabled.

There was also my son’s cousin, who lived as a transgender teen for a while. Thank god her mother was clued up enough to refuse conversion therapy when she was offered it, because she went back to living as female.

There’s also the 20 or so years I was a regular in the gay pubs in my town, where I was quick to learn the difference between transgender, transexual and Drag Queen, and could call members of all three groups ‘friends’.

Let me briefly explain the difference between ‘Thinking’ and ‘Being’. No one is born into the wrong body. You are born- no wrong, no right. What comes next is that human becomes sentient of the world around him/her and learning starts taking place. In that learning are lots of developmental factors (going slow enough for you?), one of those factors is ‘Identification’- the mental schema of who you are, how you fit into the world, what groups you fit into (family, friends, school, etc) and shock, wow- your gender identity. This is where it goes wrong, meaning how the human internally sees themselves does not fit with what they see on the outside- or it might go swimmingly right, where both images slide into the same one.
But just for kicks, lets throw in ‘Attachment’ (another one of those pesky developmental factors from childhood) to fcuk it up. Good- a well-rounded, confident adult, who’s identity issues resolve quickly. Bad- mental health issues and conflicted identity.

EVERYONE with identity and attachment issues struggles and, in that struggle, we try to solve those issues. Transgenderism is a solution to the individual’s struggle, albeit sometimes the right one and sometimes the wrong one.

Oh apologies- are my words becoming incoherent? Would you like the link for a thesaurus?

It has certainly affected them workwise/society wise until very recently.

How do you know? Are you transgender?

You'll find that in many countries transgenders still have huge issues as far as finding a job/fitting into society is concerned.

You’ll find in some countries, women are still not allowed to work or socialise without a chaperone. And you want the world up in arms because a man can’t wear a dress when he wants?

Why else do you think they had/have to prostitute themselves in order to survive?

You’ve been watching too much Pose! There are many reasons why a woman- or a man- turns to prostitution to survive, but simply being ‘transgender’ is not one of them!

They have as much a right to be respected as any other minority group who have special needs, in my opinion, as they are also vulnerable.

I have not once stated that the transgender or transsexual community have not been discriminated against and I don’t deny that their experience is a struggle. What I am opposed to is the easy acceptance of self-assigned gender. There has to be a line drawn under the limits of self-assignment. My cousin is not a woman- she’s transgender; she had the growth, the privileges, the education of a boy/man and cannot claim the history, vulnerabilities or struggles of a woman and never can.

You'll find that you're the one who talks of inclusivity, when in reality you're only inclusive of who fits your criteria of who deserves to be included - read your own post..

Please copy and paste where I’ve talked about inclusivity. I’m (apparently) a misandrist, human-hater. I mean, that’s not too far from the truth, but I prefer anti-social nihilist, so ‘inclusivity’ is definitely not my thing!

.The difference between me and you though is that I'm pretty coherent in my thoughts, whereas you are not.

I’ve had no complaints from Wicked Perdition the coherence of my posts, so your opinion means zilch, my dear!

 

[hell2bwith76]

I used three ‘belief systems’ in an example of a belief system, so how is that a twisted train of thought? Was it the type of extreme belief systems I used perhaps?
Furthermore, while the content of the post you replied to was in regards to gender identification, you chose to pick an attribute of the poster to make a point in your reply.
And I supposedly have a twisted train of thought!

Because I grew up with a transgender woman- my closest cousin- and despite living across the country from her, we still talk regularly and her gender does not restrict her independence. I can assure you that! I have absolutely no doubt that it has affected her mentally- living with what she deemed as the ‘wrong body’ for over 40 years would. But her ability to live, to earn, to socialise, to love and to live a life has not been impeded on. She doesn’t have to depend on others to live, so it’s not a disability, which is what you are quite prepared to equate it to. That in itself is transphobic. I doubt my cousin would say being a transgender woman makes her feel disabled.

There was also my son’s cousin, who lived as a transgender teen for a while. Thank god her mother was clued up enough to refuse conversion therapy when she was offered it, because she went back to living as female.

There’s also the 20 or so years I was a regular in the gay pubs in my town, where I was quick to learn the difference between transgender, transexual and Drag Queen, and could call members of all three groups ‘friends’.

Let me briefly explain the difference between ‘Thinking’ and ‘Being’. No one is born into the wrong body. You are born- no wrong, no right. What comes next is that human becomes sentient of the world around him/her and learning starts taking place. In that learning are lots of developmental factors (going slow enough for you?), one of those factors is ‘Identification’- the mental schema of who you are, how you fit into the world, what groups you fit into (family, friends, school, etc) and shock, wow- your gender identity. This is where it goes wrong, meaning how the human internally sees themselves does not fit with what they see on the outside- or it might go swimmingly right, where both images slide into the same one.
But just for kicks, lets throw in ‘Attachment’ (another one of those pesky developmental factors from childhood) to fcuk it up. Good- a well-rounded, confident adult, who’s identity issues resolve quickly. Bad- mental health issues and conflicted identity.

EVERYONE with identity and attachment issues struggles and, in that struggle, we try to solve those issues. Transgenderism is a solution to the individual’s struggle, albeit sometimes the right one and sometimes the wrong one.

Oh apologies- are my words becoming incoherent? Would you like the link for a thesaurus?

How do you know? Are you transgender?

You’ll find in some countries, women are still not allowed to work or socialise without a chaperone. And you want the world up in arms because a man can’t wear a dress when he wants?

You’ve been watching too much Pose! There are many reasons why a woman- or a man- turns to prostitution to survive, but simply being ‘transgender’ is not one of them!


I have not once stated that the transgender or transsexual community have not been discriminated against and I don’t deny that their experience is a struggle. What I am opposed to is the easy acceptance of self-assigned gender. There has to be a line drawn under the limits of self-assignment. My cousin is not a woman- she’s transgender; she had the growth, the privileges, the education of a boy/man and cannot claim the history, vulnerabilities or struggles of a woman and never can.


Please copy and paste where I’ve talked about inclusivity. I’m (apparently) a misandrist, human-hater. I mean, that’s not too far from the truth, but I prefer anti-social nihilist, so ‘inclusivity’ is definitely not my thing!



I’ve had no complaints from Wicked Perdition the coherence of my posts, so your opinion means zilch, my dear!

FFS ! can someone please explain the real differences between Transsexual ,Transgender,Homosexual Lesbian , and last ( but not least!) Hetrasexual !? I know there are now there are lots more "trans" but i can`t be arsed to search for them now ,it` late night .

 

[CrazyCatLady]

FFS ! can someone please explain the real differences between Transsexual ,Transgender,Homosexual Lesbian , and last ( but not least!) Hetrasexual !? I know there are now there are lots more "trans" but i can`t be arsed to search for them now ,it` late night .

Separate sexuality from gender identification first.
The basic sexualities (because are there too many for this word count amongst the newer generations):
Homosexual/gay- those who are sexually attracted to people of their own sex; gay is usually a term used for men who are sexually attracted to men, but a lesbian can also be referred to as gay.
Lesbian- a woman who is sexually attracted to other women.
Heterosexual- a man who is attracted to women; a woman who is attracted to men.
Bisexual- a man or woman who is attracted to both men and women.

The terms Transsexual and Transgender relate to identification of gender (i.e.: whether someone is male/female).
Transgender- a man or woman who identifies as the opposite sex, but still has some or all of the sexual organs of their gender at birth (e.g.: a biological man who dresses and lives as a women, but has not had the operations to change them physically)
Transsexual- a man or woman who has undergone surgery to become the opposite sex.

What gender someone identifies with does not necessarily relate to their sexuality. A trans woman can still be sexually attracted to women, just as a trans man can still be attracted to men.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

So one person (your cousin) makes up for the whole transgender community worldwide?


So now there's another relative who's been a transgender teen for a while?

Not wasting anymore time in replying to all your posts, as it's obvious you have issues, which can't be solved on an internet forum.
Just giving you a few short answers.

Don't see what you being a regular at gay pubs for over 2 decades makes you - an expert of some sort?

Let me guess .... you were drinking Britvic Orange for over 2 decades of your life in gay pubs and discussing important matters that these groups of people had/have in their everyday lives.


I think you need a chill pill.

No I'm not transgender, but I have a friend who runs a business and only hires transgenders in order to give them an alternative in life, besides having to prostitute themselves in order to survive or be a drag queen in some sleazy pub/club.


No idea what 'POSE' is - But if you say so, it must be true.

It's not the fact that they're transgender that turns them to prostitution, it's the fact that they can't find a regular job, due to them being transgender, so they have no choice, really.

You're good at typing essays, but as far as reality is concerned ....

I think you need to take another chill pill and have a lay down - I can sense your blood pressure rising.


Not sure why you mentioned you haven't had any complaints from WP regarding your incoherence.
Who are they ?
Some sort of know it all chat God who are never wrong?

You decide to pull apart my first paragraph about people from the transgender community that I personally know to make a poor point and then go and talk about a mate that employs them to make your point!!
OMFG, you couldn’t make this sh!t up! Lmao

You’re the little freak that seems to get triggered by everything you come across. You and the twins- there’s so much transference going on, even Freud would be having a w@nk!
What’s even funnier is that you shed your load over a bunch of people you don’t even know personally and then tell me to take a chill pill.

The only thing left to say is one day, you’ll grow up, Sunshine

 

[CrazyCatLady]

NIte nite sweetie - My time for you is up.

I need sleep

Well, you're definitely male. You rev a woman up for a good night and leave her hanging.
Fcuking typical!

 

[funandflirty]

Separate sexuality from gender identification first.
The basic sexualities (because are there too many for this word count amongst the newer generations):
Homosexual/gay- those who are sexually attracted to people of their own sex; gay is usually a term used for men who are sexually attracted to men, but a lesbian can also be referred to as gay.
Lesbian- a woman who is sexually attracted to other women.
Heterosexual- a man who is attracted to women; a woman who is attracted to men.
Bisexual- a man or woman who is attracted to both men and women.

The terms Transsexual and Transgender relate to identification of gender (i.e.: whether someone is male/female).
Transgender- a man or woman who identifies as the opposite sex, but still has some or all of the sexual organs of their gender at birth (e.g.: a biological man who dresses and lives as a women, but has not had the operations to change them physically)
Transsexual- a man or woman who has undergone surgery to become the opposite sex.

What gender someone identifies with does not necessarily relate to their sexuality. A trans woman can still be sexually attracted to women, just as a trans man can still be attracted to men.

Throw in pansexual too

 

[CrazyCatLady]

As I said, you need a chill pill or 2

Wait, what? When did this shenanigan of doing what people told me to do start?
Drugged or not drugged.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

You forgot Non binary

There's also this lot....

• Aromantic. Aromantic refers to someone who does not experience romantic attraction. They may experience sexual and/or aesthetic attraction, but not romantic attraction.
• Asexual. Someone who does not experience sexual attraction. They may experience romantic and/or aesthetic attraction, but not sexual attraction.
• Demisexual. Someone who only experiences sexual attraction to someone once they have created a romantic or platonic relationship with them.
• Gay / Homosexual. Someone who is attracted to the same gender as themselves. The rainbow flag is also used to represent the LGBTQIA+ community as a whole.
• Gynephilic / Gynesexual. Someone who is primarily romantically, sexually, or aesthetically attracted to femininity.
• Polyamorous. Someone who is, or desires to be in, a consensual relationship with multiple partners. Polyamory is the opposite of monogamy.
• Polysexual. Someone who is attracted to multiple genders, but not all genders.
• Queer. An umbrella term for someone whose sexuality and/or gender is not heterosexual, cisgender and/or allosexual.

But my answer was to Hells and he's easily confused, so we have to start small, with the basics.