Hooters.

[Saphire]

American restaurant chain Hooters, has one place here, and it's under review whether they can open two more, one in Manchester one in Liverpool.
There is a debate as to whether this is putting women back a few decades....the days of Bunny girls and page three.

Hooters girls, offer a unique experience to the diner...reason being they were tight low tops and skimpy hot pants.

Is this empowering women?...they look good, so they may as well flaunt it, the tips are said to be brilliant in these places....or is it objectifying them, not to mention excluding all the fatties or the less attractive girls from applying for jobs there.

 

[Saphire]

Like anything, if there’s a market for it, it will thrive. I’m sure nobody is forced to work there, and it’s not exactly a brothel is it?
As for the ‘less attractive’ being excluded, surely is only the same as guys with ‘dad boss’ being excluded from The Chippendales? And I’m sure no women complain about that!!

Are the Chippendales still going?
I have never seen them live, but I did see a male stripper called Billy Hot Rocks once. I was ashamed to be in the same room with some of the women. Poor Billy was disrobed of his covering well before the end of his act.

Hopefully the Hooters girls will be better protected from marauding male drunks.

 

[Saphire]

I’ve no clue if The Chippendales are still going and have no desire to search to find out. Lol.
I think the Hooters girls are more protected, at least in the States I read they were well looked after.

I have a feeling men in the states may be more respectful of women than some of the drunken louts in this country.
Also, I have heard a few people say the Hooters waitresses in the US are older...mid twenties onwards, whereas in this country they will possibly have teenage girls serving, as they do in nightclubs.

 

[Saphire]

Just to clarify, I am not a prude.
I worked in nightclubs myself for years, I wore fishnets, stilettos and a very short, quite revealing uniform in a couple of clubs, I was also asked to be a bunny girl on several occasions, I declined, I hated the uniform. The Playboy club in Manchester, closed in the 1980's.

The difference, imo, to those clubs and Hooters (even the name is derogatory) is the clubs back then had class, the girls, many were teenagers, were well protected, and the restaurants were good....great food, quite expensive, and places where couples went for a special night out.

I am not against Hooters opening new restaurants over here, and if girls want to work in them, that's fine....I just hope they are respected as well as we were back in the day.

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

the tips are said to be brilliant in these places....

It may be a Freudian slip on my part, but I read that as 'the tits are said to be brilliant in these places' Is it empowering or objectifying women? An interesting question, i'm leaning slightly towards the former. They're adults, it's their bodies... If they can earn a living out of it, who are we to say otherwise?

 

[Saphire]

It may be a Freudian slip on my part, but I read that as 'the tits are said to be brilliant in these places' Is it empowering or objectifying women? An interesting question, i'm leaning slightly towards the former. They're adults, it's their bodies... If they can earn a living out of it, who are we to say otherwise?

Lol....I think as the restaurant title singles out the breasts...tits was an understandable faux pas when reading the OP.

 

[Moriarty]

It's pathetic.

Sex sells.

I mean "Empowering Women" really.
Tell that to all the grid girls who lost thier jobs when motorsport went woke.

I actually talked to grid girl's a few times at track days and demonstartion events before all this started, there was so much more to the job than simply standing there looking beautiful.
They were a huge part of the media departments most motorsport companies ran to get sposorship.
Photo shoots, customer liason (no not that kind, filthy minded people), some were trained sports therapists and worked with thier respective driver in that capacity.

Problem was most of them were beautiful AND smart, they had a job that took them all over the world and allowed them to socialise and work amongst the rich and famous.

Jealousy, thats why Grid Girls got cancelled nothing more.

Objectifying women, makes me laugh.

The Pride and Prejudice scene of Mr Darcy (Colin Firth) stripping off at the lake is one of the most viewed scenes in TV history.

 

[hell2bwith76]

If i remember right Al Bundy ( from "married with children") looked forward to his evenings out at Hooters in USA years ago . I can`t remember ever seeing any of the Hooters ladies on TV though

 

[Saphire]

It's pathetic.

Sex sells.

I mean "Empowering Women" really.
Tell that to all the grid girls who lost thier jobs when motorsport went woke.

I actually talked to grid girl's a few times at track days and demonstartion events before all this started, there was so much more to the job than simply standing there looking beautiful.
They were a huge part of the media departments most motorsport companies ran to get sposorship.
Photo shoots, customer liason (no not that kind, filthy minded people), some were trained sports therapists and worked with thier respective driver in that capacity.

Problem was most of them were beautiful AND smart, they had a job that took them all over the world and allowed them to socialise and work amongst the rich and famous.

Jealousy, thats why Grid Girls got cancelled nothing more.

Objectifying women, makes me laugh.

The Pride and Prejudice scene of Mr Darcy (Colin Firth) stripping off at the lake is one of the most viewed scenes in TV history.

I'm not sure why you use the word 'pathetic'.
Pathetic to whom, the girls, or the men who wrongly think the girls are selling sex not food or cars, as in the case you highlight.

Who was jealous of the grid girls? Why was their contracts cancelled?
Was it not just that times move on...page three girls and scantily clad girls advertising everything went out of fashion?

Which is why I wondered if opening up more Hooters in the UK is not jtaking a step backwards.

 

[Saphire]

And it is obvious if the girls were not beautiful they wouldn't be in those jobs in the first place....but then nothing has changed there, and I doubt it ever will.

In all honesty, if you were hiring for a front of house job and had the choice of hiring a nice looking person or a fat ugly one....both with the same qualifications, which one would you offer the job to?

 

[hell2bwith76]

No woman I know refers to another woman 'as fat and ugly', unless she's very cheap and nasty herself.

You don`t know many women do you ? Many women are alright singly but get them in a gang and they will b**** about other women ,especially the sort you give as an example .
Women can be soft and cuddly or hard and hissy ( like Cats !)

 

[Saphire]

You forgot personality (besides cleanliness).

No 2 personalities are alike.

In front house jobs cleanliness and personality is important, well it should be as you're dealing with food and people , unless you're working at Sloppy Joe's or some joint based on serving trashy males only interested in what you look like, making sleazy comments (such as 'you're hot'./ hi sexy, etc, you know the sort

Beauty really isn't necessary, as long as you're well turned out.

Your train of thought is very masculine and blunt.
No woman I know refers to another woman 'as fat and ugly', unless she's very cheap and nasty herself.
No offence meant, I'm merely judging you on the way you expressed yourself.


I'd hire the one who is better at dealing with people, as long as they were clean and dressed appropriately for the job.

But then again, I have different standards.

I am playing devils advocate, and I use those terms because that's exactly, in spite of you trying to gain higher ground by getting personal) how many people think when they are hiring.

Obese people are often seen as lazy and unmotivated, by women as well as men, not to mention less easy on the eye.

You can be as judgmental as me as you like, but I doubt you have ever been in the position to know what you are talking about.
I however, do have experience, I have designed the uniforms for women I have hired..
I ordered them in size 12 to 16, all were worn with pride.

 

[Saphire]

You don`t know many women do you ? Many women are alright singly but get them in a gang and they will b**** about other women ,especially the sort you give as an example .
Women can be soft and cuddly or hard and hissy ( like Cats !)

Who does most of the hiring for the jobs we are talking about?

 

[Saphire]

Tuts.....

I'm trying to gain nothing tbh - I was just giving an honest reply

It's subjective

Lol - So in your opinion I've been living my life not knowing what I'm talking about ?

Well done

There is nothing honest about your reply...you were the one who first mentioned the word 'ugly' in this thread in regard to women.
Try to debate the issue without obvious point scoring.

 

[Saphire]

You're right .

You mentioned 'person' not 'woman' but the thread was actually about women, so I presumed you were referring to women, when you typed 'person'.

Like a good conversation, a thread topic can expand and encompass other points to debate.

There are (as far as I know) no overweight ugly Chippendale, (as was pointed out earlier) and I am sure, especially if men are doing the hiring, there will be no overweight less than attractive females serving at Hooters.

If my use of the word 'ugly' offends you so....try not to use it yourself, you may come across as hypocritical.

 

[Saphire]

Think you need a chill pill luv, you mentioned 'ugly' first
I only mentioned it in quoting what you typed.

I am chilled 'Luv'.

You first mentioned the word 'Ugly'...post 11.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

American restaurant chain Hooters, has one place here, and it's under review whether they can open two more, one in Manchester one in Liverpool.
There is a debate as to whether this is putting women back a few decades....the days of Bunny girls and page three.

Hooters girls, offer a unique experience to the diner...reason being they were tight low tops and skimpy hot pants.

Is this empowering women?...they look good, so they may as well flaunt it, the tips are said to be brilliant in these places....or is it objectifying them, not to mention excluding all the fatties or the less attractive girls from applying for jobs there.

My nearest city already has a Coyote Ugly's where it's not much different from Hooters!

Would it be excluding the less attractive women? After all, beauty is in the eye of the beholder and the beholder hiring them might be gay or female. Also, to add to the 'fat' thing- an employer hiring someone to work behind a bar or serving will usually employ based on the person's size and it isn't to be judgemental, but because of space behind the bar. You are surrounded by counters and shelves; glasses, bottles, etc and you need to be able to work in that small space with 1, 2 or more other staff.
However, when it comes to actual looks, the perception of beauty is very different to what it used to be- it's more flexible, despite the media stereotype of 'beauty' (e.g. big lips, etc) and if this was 20+ years ago, I'd be harping about women being exploited, but I'm not too sure nowadays. The women who go for the jobs there will know what their reputation is, so if they don't believe they are 'beautiful' enough, would they go for it? Plus these Hooters women are not on minimum wage, like the barmaids down the Queen's Head on your High Street, and they get a lot more tips.

Being service, they will also have a high turnover of staff, which being in Manchester will mostly be university students, so effectively the women they're hiring will have beauty and brains!

 

[hell2bwith76]

I think you've met only one 'sort' of woman in your life judging by your posts.

I`ve met the sort with hooters and other nice bits ...which ones did you meet ( if any !) ?