Can anyone answer this?

[CrazyCatLady]

2021 bleating anti-masker - ''Wearing a mask in public for 30 minutes is a violation of my human rights and I find it impossible to breath.''

said no Covid nurse or doctor, ever.

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Just a few flaws in your argument:
1) Medical professionals get paid to do a job. Part of that job is wearing a uniform and PPE is a part of it.
2) There are other nasties hanging around a hospital- it isn't the only contagious disease they treat in hospitals.
3) The first one is not a mask any medical professional would wear- it's a mask designed to protect against dust & building particles and the last two look like they've been in a fight with Mike Tyson, so I wonder what the hell kind of mask they've been wearing.

Not a great example.
Please try better next time.

 

[SamBally]

"With more transmissible Covid-19 coronavirus variants circulating in dozens of countries, some people are feeling the need for extra protection during the pandemic. But what extra protection do they provide compared to cloth masks and, crucially, should you buy one? Here's what you need to know.

What are N95 and FFP2 face masks?


N95 and FFP2 are similar kinds of respiratory masks. These masks supposedly protect both the wearer and the people around them. The World Health Organisation cites studies that show the filtration systems of FFP2 and N95 masks are 94 and 95 percent effective respectively. Their enhanced effectiveness has led to countries such as Austria and Germany making them a requirement on public transport. FFP3 masks are the most effective, followed by FFP2/N95, then surgical masks, and, finally, cloth masks."

 

[Bad_Influence]

Just a few flaws in your argument:
1) Medical professionals get paid to do a job. Part of that job is wearing a uniform and PPE is a part of it.
2) There are other nasties hanging around a hospital- it isn't the only contagious disease they treat in hospitals.
3) The first one is not a mask any medical professional would wear- it's a mask designed to protect against dust & building particles and the last two look like they've been in a fight with Mike Tyson, so I wonder what the hell kind of mask they've been wearing.

Not a great example.
Please try better next time.

Stop talking sense. You know Tiddles can’t be doing with facts.

 

[Bad_Influence]

"With more transmissible Covid-19 coronavirus variants circulating in dozens of countries, some people are feeling the need for extra protection during the pandemic. But what extra protection do they provide compared to cloth masks and, crucially, should you buy one? Here's what you need to know.

What are N95 and FFP2 face masks?


N95 and FFP2 are similar kinds of respiratory masks. These masks supposedly protect both the wearer and the people around them. The World Health Organisation cites studies that show the filtration systems of FFP2 and N95 masks are 94 and 95 percent effective respectively. Their enhanced effectiveness has led to countries such as Austria and Germany making them a requirement on public transport. FFP3 masks are the most effective, followed by FFP2/N95, then surgical masks, and, finally, cloth masks."

Thank you for proving my point.

 

[SamBally]

The World Health Organisation cites studies that show the filtration systems of FFP2 and N95 masks are 94 and 95 percent effective respectively.

 

[Bad_Influence]

The authors and CIDRAP have received requests in recent weeks to remove this article from the CIDRAP website. Reasons have included: (1) we don’t truly know that cloth masks (face coverings) are not effective, since the data are so limited, (2) wearing a cloth mask or face covering is better than doing nothing, (3) the article is being used by individuals and groups to support non-mask wearing where mandated and (4) there are now many modeling studies suggesting that cloth masks or face coverings could be effective at flattening the curve and preventing many cases of infection.

If the data are limited, how can we say face coverings are likely not effective?​

We agree that the data supporting the effectiveness of a cloth mask or face covering are very limited. We do, however, have data from laboratory studies that indicate cloth masks or face coverings offer very low filter collection efficiency for the smaller inhalable particles we believe are largely responsible for transmission, particularly from pre- or asymptomatic individuals who are not coughing or sneezing. At the time we wrote this article, we were unable to locate any well-performed studies of cloth mask leakage when worn on the face—either inward or outward leakage. As far as we know, these data are still lacking.

The guidelines from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) for face coverings initially did not have any citations for studies of cloth material efficiency or fit, but some references have been added since the guidelines were first posted. We reviewed these and found that many employ very crude, non-standardized methods (Anfinrud 2020, Davies 2013, Konda 2020, Aydin 2020, Ma 2020) or are not relevant to cloth face coverings because they evaluate respirators or surgical masks (Leung 2020, Johnson 2009, Green 2012).

The CDC failed to reference the National Academies of Sciences Rapid Expert Consultation on the Effectiveness of Fabric Masks for the COVID-19 Pandemic (NAS 2020), which concludes, “The evidence from…laboratory filtration studies suggests that such fabric masks may reduce the transmission of larger respiratory droplets. There is little evidence regarding the transmission of small aerosolized particulates of the size potentially exhaled by asymptomatic or presymptomatic individuals with COVID-19.” As well, the CDC neglected to mention a well-done study of cloth material filter performance by Rengasamy et al (2014), which we reviewed in our article.

Is wearing a face covering better than nothing?​

Wearing a cloth mask or face covering could be better than doing nothing, but we simply don’t know at this point. We have observed an evolution in the messaging around cloth masks, from an initial understanding that they should not be seen as a replacement for physical distancing to more recent messaging that suggests cloth masks are equivalent to physical distancing. And while everyone appears to understand that this messaging suggests that a cloth mask is appropriate only for source control (ie, to protect others from infection), recent CDC and other guidance recommending their use by workers seems to imply that they offer some type of personal protection.

We know of workplaces in which employees are told they cannot wear respirators for the hazardous environments they work in, but instead need to wear a cloth mask or face covering. These are dangerous and inappropriate applications that greatly exceed the initial purpose of a cloth mask. We are concerned that many people do not understand the very limited degree of protection a cloth mask or face covering likely offers as source control for people located nearby.

 

[Bad_Influence]

The World Health Organisation cites studies that show the filtration systems of FFP2 and N95 masks are 94 and 95 percent effective respectively.

Oh and everyone is wearing those aren’t they? Lmfao.

 

[Bad_Influence]

There is NO evidence non-surgical masks do anything to protect against Covid. All they do successfully is perpetuate the fear.

 

[Bad_Influence]

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

This is an excellent definition of the “Big lie,” however, there seems to be no evidence that it was used by Nazi propaganda chief Joseph Goebbels, though it is often attributed to him.

And a mantra that Sam seems to support.

 

[SamBally]

I am not interested in your conspiracy theory pish.


I was typing to the mad cat lady who stated, unequivocally, N 95 and the EU version are not used in a medical setting. They clearly are and are in fact recommended by the W.H.O.

Who knows about this kind of thing...

 

[CrazyCatLady]

There is NO evidence non-surgical masks do anything to protect against Covid. All they do successfully is perpetuate the fear.

They can also cause health issues. Rebreathing carbon dioxide is not healthy.

Carbon dioxide (CO2) is a gas the body naturally produces as waste. We breathe in oxygen (O2) to fuel organs and tissues and the end product is CO2. The balance between these two gases is required for a healthy body. However, when we rebreathe CO2 it can have harmful and sometimes dangerous effects on the body. When CO2 levels are elevated in the body it is known as hypercapnia. Hypercapnia can occur for a number of reasons, one of which is rebreathing our own exhaled CO2. Rebreathing CO2 can lead to increased blood pressure, headaches, muscle twitches, rapid heart rate, chest pain, confusion, and fatigue. In extreme cases, if left untreated, hypercapnia can lead to organ damage and even have long standing effects on the brain.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

I am not interested in your conspiracy theory pish.


I was typing to the mad cat lady who stated, unequivocally, N 95 and the EU version are not used in a medical setting. They clearly are and are in fact recommended by the W.H.O.

Who knows about this kind of thing...


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So, I don't hawk around hospitals to spot medical professionals, looking like builders.
Nevertheless, while they're better at keeping out the scary nasty germ that every one's panicking out, they're also fantastic at keeping carbon dioxide from leaking out. More for those poor doctors and nurses to breathe back in!

 

[SamBally]

They just tell lies, blatant lies, they are just lazy people and much too lazy to double-check before they spew their constant stream of lies.


That's why they can't be taken seriously.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

"I am not interested in your conspiracy theory pish"

You're not interested in anything that challenges your mechanical, popularist belief system. It's called being narrow minded.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

They just tell lies, blatant lies, they are just lazy people and much too lazy to double-check before they spew their constant stream of lies.


That's why they can't be taken seriously.

Dear god, save the children!

 

[SamBally]

3) The first one is not a mask any medical professional would wear- it's a mask designed to protect against dust & building particles

Don't change the subject.


It's an N 95 mask widely worn in health settings in the USA and the EU version widely worn in Europe. Both are recommended by the W.H.O.


You people just spew out lie after lie to suit your anti-vaxx agenda.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Don't change the subject.


It's an N 95 mask widely worn in health settings in the USA and the EU version widely worn in Europe. Both are recommended by the W.H.O.


You people just spew out lie after lie to suit your anti-vaxx agenda.

The WHO? Now you are clutching at straws. Have you learned nothing?

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Don't change the subject.


It's an N 95 mask widely worn in health settings in the USA and the EU version widely worn in Europe. Both are recommended by the W.H.O.


You people just spew out lie after lie to suit your anti-vaxx agenda.

Hardly a 'lie'.
I don't make masks for a living; it looks like a builders mask and despite an institution of the New World Order saying that everyone should wear one, I haven't seen no bugger wearing one and I was at the hospital a couple of weeks ago. But alas- still wearing disposable masks or shields, so forgive me for apparently going out of my way to mislead you.

And frankly, I couldn't give a sh**- I'm not going to wear one!

Wordy enough for you? I could add more....

 

[CrazyCatLady]

 

[SamBally]

The hollow world of the anti-vaxx brigade.


Any normal person would have just acknowledged that "blue" masks are widely used in the health sector in the USA and just admit they made a mistake.

That's what grown up do. There is no shame in admitting a mistake. "Apparently".

But not the anti-vax brigade.

They are in a whole different league of their own.