Why I dislike Liberal Capatilistic Societies

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  1. Bad_Influence

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    What we need and what would work or be accepted are different things sadly. I think capitalism as an economic structure does not have to be totally exclusive from a political or legal model that allows for more self-rule, the two can and should be able to work alongside eachother.

    I do agree that we have lost our identity, or rather we have had it stolen from us, and now we are made to feel guilty for being patriotic and somehow this has to change. I wish I had the answers but I don't, and like you, what I would love to see is something I can't type here for the reasons explained in my previous sentence.
     
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    I was simply trying to explain capitalism under it's current model American Imperialism is what destroyed your nation to begin or what the concept of nation is based on which is ethnos and sovereignty. The American model promotes immigration, multiculturalism and hyper capitalism to begin with it needs instability to divide and conquer like all empires do

    I'm not necessarily anti imperialism I am a realist in that sense ethnic groups and nations are always going to dominate others from industry, economics and military strength just don't see how you can break free from it whilst you are under the boot of Americanisation which enforces hyper capitalism and liberalism on nations it has tremendous influence over.

    That was the point I was making
     
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    Personally I think you over-estimate the influence that America has, but that's only my opinion, you may be right, I may be wrong. Immigration and multiculturalism have been occurring since before the US grew up and became a 'super-power'. Yes capitalism is also growing exponentially but that it a global thing, so to lay blame solely across the pond seems a little unfair in my eyes.
     
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    Capitalism has always been around the British Empire created globalism in that sense of worldwide trade and implemented it's capitalist economic models across territories it controlled.

    The American Model is entirely different it's a nation destroyer in that sense like even when British Empire collapsed yes it was quite harsh in some parts of the world compared to others but they didn't destroy the ethnic make up of any countries in doing so.

    A Bit like the soviet union i'm anti communist but the communists did less damage to eastern Europe then liberal capitalism has done to western Europe in the sense of national pride, social cohesion/order, demographics and culture which has been ruthlessly destroyed by American Capitalists and globalists that benefit from that branch of Capitalism.
     
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    I'm not sure if it's capitalism you dislike, or America itself, and more importantly, I'm not sure you know either. So I'll leave it there.
     
  6. MrFaustian

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    Well there is a difference between America, Americanisation and the Military Industrial complex of the American Empire which is practically rogue and merchant fighters for hire at this point.

    I'm luke warm on America the other 2 destroy nations
     
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    The real power is with the people. yet they need a leader to follow.
    And there you have the problem!
     
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    I could not agree more with you Mr Faustian about the last part of your comment regarding Eastern Europe.
     
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    A leader of Men
     
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    Well the Soviet regimes there were pretty brutal but it created strong men that united against it. Nationalist uprisings rose all over Eastern Europe in the end and communism eventually imploded in on itself from it's own lies with the eventual collapse of the Soviet Union.

    That ethos is still there in many countries within the region
     
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  11. Beatris

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    I wouldnt call that "people rose". I could think of many other explanations.
    Communism by definition never really existed. Should not be always pointed to it as "what Soviet Union had" and "what Stalin did".
     
  12. MrFaustian

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    Don't all communists say that

    Pretty much what capitalists say today this isn't real capitalism the 80's was peak capitalism but this is what capitalism manifested into.

    Just the same as what communism and other lenin/marxist/troitskyist ideologies end up doing ''genocide'' towards what should be considered their own people from Mandela who wrapped tires around other Africans necks and set them on fire too Pol Pot rounding up other Cambodians with firing squads. The only ideology that murders it's own people other ideologies kill what they consider outside threats or other groups but communists kill their own race and followers.

    What do you consider a successful branch of communism today or in the past that had been tried then?
     
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  13. Beatris

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    Dont stamp me. I am not a communist. I grew up as one and I am very proud of my upraising and my society.

    Critisizing is easy. Everyone can do that. I can critisize all systems, imperialism too, monarchies,,,you name it. What are the alternatives? What is the best economical system or form of governing?
    P.s. If the only problem in this world was Marx, Lenin and Nelson MAndella this would be a happy world, Look out for other monsters if you are to name them.
     
  14. MrFaustian

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    I simply asked what is a successful example of communism now or in the past and you just deflected

    The fight for power will always create conflicts in many cases that's with all ideologies. I only saying it's communism that actually murders it's own people and followers most followers that dissent and try form their own branch once they realise the current system is insane.

    What country was you raised in because I am Hungarian and the only people that did benefit from Communism were bolsheviks and they aren't European. The leading ones and the majority anyway
     
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  15. Beatris

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    The old Yugoslavia. Your neighbourhood then.
     
  16. MrFaustian

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    The Yugolsav model was successful to some degree under Tito but I don't think it was Communist in what Lenin, Troitsky or Marx would of wanted. It certainly wasn't a marxist socialist state in my eyes more a National Socialist one probably why the CIA got it's war there in the end similar to the infiltration of modern day Ukraine

    I see the old Yugoslavia as a Nationalist Bolshevik state to some degree it was multiethnic but with Serbs being the dominant demographic it had it's own unique economic model that made it a worrying obstacle for the U.S empire to deal with.They didn't want an alternative model to neoliberal capitalism growing strong in Europe
     
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  17. Beatris

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    Well said. Thank you for this comment.
     
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  18. MrFaustian

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    Well it's hard to pin down what is what with ideologies until someone can explain their position or give examples

    As you gave the Yugoslav model I now know what you was trying to say
     
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  19. Beatris

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    I agree.
     
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