Why I dislike Liberal Capatilistic Societies

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  1. MrFaustian

    MrFaustian UKChat Initiate

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    1. They are motivated purely by gnp and the growth of economies over the overall wellbeing and happiness of it's citizens

    2. Law and Order is weak and rehabilitation of a criminal is practiced instead of punished even really disgusting crimes like child sexual abuse or rape are treated like a problem to solve instead of severe punishment being required (even death penalty in extreme cases) In the current system they will get out in prison in a couple of years with programmes said to have ''cured them'' so some narcissistic pseudo shrink can pat his/herself on the back all for self gratification whilst the offender is let loose back into society. Insanity really!

    3. The politicians that are suppose to represent the masses on important topics like war, economics, immigration and social order don't! They are completely controlled by the donors within the mainstream right/left dichotomy which in my view both serve globalism and the neo liberal order for the benefits of big business and the banks to the detriment of the lower/middle classes. Immigration in my opinion is both supported by capitalists marxists and liberals for the exploitation of cheap labour and the destruction of societies and the social cohesion within them. If you have an atomized and nihilistic society people will never group and fight a system they dislike i.e never question power just slob around get fat and keep voting for the scam on both the right and left. The living standards have been dropping at a high rate since the 80's yes you can get your 55 inch tv from china for cheap but your mortgage/rent and bills eat into more of your monies each month

    4. Pornography, cheap processed junk food, obesity, pharmaceutical drugs rushed out into circulation for profit even though they are known to be addictive or have severe side effects. This dysgenic behaviour is pushed by the media and corporations through aggressive advertising via online algorithms and mass media

    5. Banks being parasitic off production and getting constant bails outs from the state even when they are guilty of gambling with peoples savings or behind outright corruption. Think they should all be nationalised and the debt economy forced out of existent over time

    I could go on and on why I am anti liberal and capitalist but that is a start for now
     
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    as politics is all corrupt and controlled by the few,but as we humand just tend to follow like sheep easily led by the madia's then we complain after a government is voted in.
     
  3. Bad_Influence

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    Too many whinge and moan that they don't like capitalism yet fail to come up with a viable alternative. Capitalism is the most successful economic model ever and although it allows for "the haves and have-nots", and creates a social hierarchy, no other economic structure is free of those.

    Liberalism is, as is currently being proven, very dangerous, and will only cause more division.
     
  4. MrFaustian

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    Yes but what ethics are those economic models created on it's all for the power of wealth and exploitation of cheap labour both for mass producing products abroad or under cutting labour at home through importing millions of immigrants.

    So by your consensus capitalism is good even though it destroys nations and turns them into nothing more than economic zones and all that matters is that GNP and economic growth is paramount so those in systems of power grow GDP and invest in foreign markets even though living standards and wage levels worsen?

    Liberalism and capitalism is intertwined in my view.

    There are many other ideological and power models that work much better than a globalised liberal capitalist system in my view but it depends what you consider is for good for a strong society or nation etc I would prefer more emphasis on healthy, strong and cohesive communities more than GDP and wealth is god
     
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  5. MrFaustian

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    It's why I am anti democratic I don't trust sheep they only go on information fed on them by those in power

    The masses are far more dangerous than a dictator in that regard

    You can easily remove a dictator by revolution if the masses turn on him but who do the masses turn on inside a liberal democratic system no one is too blame as there is a huge network at play politicians, big business. media the civil service. The power is so spread out if you was unhappy how do you change it as voting won't. They only put politicians forward that represent the status quo and vary very little on policy anyway when it comes to things like foreign policy, immigration, economics etc Or many will just lie to get elected but when pm or president do very little or can't as the system already has it's own vision already.

    Can't remember what greek philosopher said it ''They wouldn't let you vote if it made a difference''
     
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  6. Bad_Influence

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    Why you seem intent on linking capitalism with liberalism is beyond me.

    You say there are many other power models that work better... please name them. And when you do, please say why you think they work better.
     
  7. MrFaustian

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    Monarchy or Republic depending on the ethnic group and if they have history or resonate with either model
    Dictators can work too at times of crisis to clean house and remove traitors say you have a corrupt system then they are useful for that

    It depends on circumstances really nothing is ever static things are forever changing and dynamic
     
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    So each is dependent on the demographic of each particular nation. Now, which do you think could replace capitalism in either the UK or US? Do you believe a dictatorship would work here? Or do you think we should go back hundreds of years and allow an unelected monarch make all the decisions for us?
     
  9. MrFaustian

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    I don't think a dictatorship would work long term in the UK or US no anglos generally aren't revolutionary and follow state protocol no matter who is in charge good or bad. I think Dictatorships could work short term in the scenario of a revolt and a populist figure rises yes but then probably another system which resonates more with those people would be installed naturally over time

    In more continental Europe dictators or authoritarian figures could certainly work as their is a history for it and could suit those set peoples

    You will always get good and bad rulers like you will good and bad democracies like I wouldn't call the U.S empire a good democracy for instance like Trump got elected and changed nothing not all his fault but the system in place there has threw everything at him to remain in power.

    The problem with the American Empire to begin with is that big business and the banks have far more power than the state does so Trump in that democracy can't do anything as those economic powers are funding those against him.

    Which is a huge issue with hyper modern day capitalism to begin with
     
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    I'll repeat my original statement... Too many whinge and moan that they don't like capitalism yet fail to come up with a viable alternative. The main word there is 'viable'.

    I'm far more concerned with the systematic dissolution of our society by liberal do-gooders who think the world owes them a living and a life. As has been said previously here, those in charge will always be corrupt or open to corruption, no matter which economic structure is in place, but the erosion of our right to be patriotic is dangerous and that's not down to the gov't... it's due mainly to the mainstream media and social media. But when half our mainstream media are owned by Russians I can't say I'm surprised, sadly.
     
  11. MrFaustian

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    The mainstream media isn't owned by Russians but it is highly influenced by another tribe though

    The media and social media censorship is being carried out by tech giants and the main stream media they censor and only cover certain stories in the interests of big capital. Facebook, fox news, cnn, bbc, itv , probably want to look into who is on the board or owns these companies there is no Russians there lol but another tribe that is very prominent putting forward it's own weird view for it's own interests

    Liberalism and Marxism is only prominent in England today as the sense of Nation has already been destroyed from indoctrination via media and state education institutions which Capitalism has helped play a major role in too begin with.
     
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    Repeating your statement hasn't made an argument where I am wrong or what I am saying is incorrect

    Many different systems have been implemented and been successful England's golden age for instance was under monarchal rule.

    So to claim there aren't other systems is crazy like China is growing powerful now and it has some fusion system which is authoritarian and in the interests of a strong nation and doesn't rely on the same system the west uses and works very well for them.

    Russia and Iran have different systems in place too and they grow strong also
     
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  13. Bad_Influence

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    "The mainstream media isn't owned by Russians but it is highly influenced by another tribe though"...... No not all of it but certainly large parts are either wholly or part owned by one Russian or another.

    "The media and social media censorship is being carried out by tech giants and the main stream media but censor and only cover certain stories in the interests of big capital. Facebook, fox news, cnn, bbc, itv , probably want to look into who is on the board or owns these companies there is no Russians there lol but another tribe that is very prominent putting forward it's own weird view for it's own interests".... Tech giants? Are you suggestion these tech giants are not 'advised' how to censor the online media we are allowed to see?

    "Liberalism and Marxism is only prominent in England today as the sense of Nation has already been destroyed from indoctrination via media and state education institutions which Capitalism has helped play a major role in too begin with."... So you're suggesting that capitalism is to blame for the fact that a large majority of teachers/professors and liberal/left-wing in the extreme? Really?
     
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    All I'm asking is that you suggest one that would work here in the UK... it's all too easy to say what doesn't work but unless you can come up with a better option, you're complaints are pointless.
     
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    yes because capitalism under the American Empire Americanised the entire west after WW2.

    Open borders, the melting pot/multicutluralism, American media, Hollywood, Starbucks and Mcds on every street corner. The UK is part of that empire it wasn't before ww2 it had it's own and a sense of national pride

    The American Empire controls global capital and dominates the west today it's why capitalism is the reason why you are subjects no longer rulers
     
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    I already said alternatives and you claimed they didn't work but they do under set conditions or scenarios i gave examples

    The English were the most powerful nation in the world under monarchy do you want a better example than that now under the boot of American Capitalism which exports liberalism and hyper capitalism they are not

    thus destroying your national identity in the process
     
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    Wow. Only a slight generalisation then.

    You gave examples but not one that would work here NOW.... That was my question, not just examples of other economic models.
     
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    I already explained above you didn't read though i gave the scenarios in which different systems can work and why you can critique what I said there otherwise the conversation is pointless you are not being specific

    Other Economic models would depend on the nation but generally I think the state should control and regulate the monopolies, the banks and big business generally or your nation just gets subverted by foreign money which only benefits foreign investors and elites of that set nation to the detriment of the masses

    For example small business like fish mongers, bakeries and butchers are rare now due to the huge growth of hypermalls and supermarkets the small man can't compete. Same for foreign investors being allowed to buy up huge property developments which drives prices up so now we in a situation where most average workers can't even get a mortgage as the politicians are more concerned of pleasing investors than those that vote for them.

    If the state had control and was for the interest of the welfare of the masses that wouldn't happen

    Instead under capitalism the hyper rich control the state and the democracy when the masses and those voted in should have control of the state
     
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    You said "I don't think a dictatorship would work long term in the UK or US no anglos generally aren't revolutionary and follow state protocol no matter who is in charge good or bad. I think Dictatorships could work short term in the scenario of a revolt and a populist figure rises yes but then probably another system which resonates more with those people would be installed naturally over time"
    So again you say what wouldn't work long term but not what would, you say a dictatorship could work short term and the probably another system would be installed over time.. What system?

    I agree fully that the state should regulate the banks and big business... However, not all foreign investment is bad for the country... albeit too much now and has allowed far to much foreign interference in all sectors of society.
     
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    At this stage you need something radical which I can't say on here in my opinion that is why I said dictator who would be populist to clean out which is what I consider traitors who do deals with foreign powers to the detriment of people they should be representing

    I'm not British but reinstalling a monarchy overtime which has historical relevance would surely be better than the current system where pretty much capitalism is flooding your entire nation with cheap labour and in some cases so called refugees which the american empire has bombed the crap out of? Why have a nation if you have no ethnos to begin as all nations where set up with distinct ethncities to begin with? You are nothing more than a economic zone if you become a minority in your homeland as a White English, Scot or Irishman
     
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