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[Altair]

 

[Altair]

Jesus Christ and the Prophet Muhammad....Okay... I own a MUG with Tom and Jerry on it. Both Fictional figures. !

What's the difference?

 

[Dolores]

Meanwhile in Pakistan a 13 year old girl had been killed, because she had a dream of offending Muhammad...stabbed with a knife, by her own family...find the difference

 

[BronzeSquirrel]

When are people going to wake up to religion. That man made crock of sh** that people slavishly follow even if it causes war and bloodshed.

 

[Saphire]

When are people going to wake up to religion. That man made crock of sh** that people slavishly follow even if it causes war and bloodshed.

They never will, people hide behind it, it gives them a good reason (excuse) to act like barbarians.

 

[Moriarty]

They never will, people hide behind it, it gives them a good reason (excuse) to act like barbarians.

Amen to that

 

[Dolores]

They've opened an Atheist Centre where I live.

They were doing an 'open day' a couple of weeks ago.

They put a big sign up outside which read ' Debaptism available'.

Wonder what that involves and if it's even possible?

As far as I know, once you're baptised it can't be undone

That sounds like a new religion Only they've got De- as a prefix

 

[Dolores]

Exactly.

But they claim to be atheists lol

Funny that, obviously their problem is with Christianity only What if I'm Buddhist? I would not be baptized, but still religious .

 

[Dolores]

No idea - It would be interesting to ask them.

Maybe one day I'll pop in and ask them (if they are ever open).

Each time I've passed by they're always closed.

The only time I saw them open was on the 'Open Day'.

There's a phone number on the window in order to contact them, though.

I am really curious about the answer!

 

[Dolores]

I'll get you the number if you wish, so that you can call them

Lol and then start to de-preach

 

[Wojcik]

This is why I'm more in favour of a secular society. No religion in this country should ever dictate to others about what they can and can not say about a religion. To mock and ridicule religion, and not face death threats or losing your job, is part of a free society. Unfortunately, the Islamic religion in this case, has dominated the West and has started to dictate what others should do and think who do not follow their religious beliefs.

 

[Moriarty]

It's a very long argument.

The short answer is:

A free society will never exist - Your freedom ends where the next person's freedom begins.

A simple correction, if you dont mind.

"Your free speech ends when it is politically expediant to not alieanate a certain section of voters"

 

[Moriarty]

I could say the same about almost anywhere where there are gatherings and people who hold different views, including chatrooms/ forums.

Some get away with murder, other's don't.

Is it political?

I'll let you decide.

Change 'voters' to 'chatters'.

You would be correct.

The problem arises when you ask :-
"Should someone be banned from chat for having ideas that appear to be an anathema compared to acceptable public discourse?"

Then define "Public"

What is acceptable discourse to some is denounced ineradically by others, what are interesting questions requiring answers can be seen as opinions not fit for speech or thought.

Opening ones mind to conflict within it, taking opposing views and trying to rationalise, to understand both sides of a subject, thats what we all need to do.

Again, I'll quote Stephen Fry :-

"I believe one of the greatest human failings is to prefer to be right than to be effective."

Then again, some people simply want to cause friction for thier own reasons.
How do we tell the difference?

"How can I tell you what I think until I’ve heard what I’m going to say?"

 

[Dolores]

I'm talking about freedom in general - as in, to do as you wish, when you wish, where you wish.

Sounds like an utopia...unfortunately it doesn't exist. There are too many boundaries everywhere around us.

 

[Moriarty]

Sounds like an utopia...unfortunately it doesn't exist. There are too many boundaries everywhere around us.

Not at all.

The Freedom of speech for example comes with the caviat to "Use it wisely".
Most people forget that.

All actions should be permitted unless prevented by law.
Thats where UK law differs from EU Law.
In the EU and most other places in the world your rights are given.
In the UK you have all the rights, it's up to the individual to use them wisely.

Law is there to uphold basic tenents, to control major social problems.
If people, who automatically know right from wrong in thier own actions, actually controlled themselves, we would not need laws.

So no, the only boundries that should exist are in the individuals own moral worth.

Thats is the UK's constitutional basis.
Which is getting torn apart by every government since Blair with more and more regulation.
Why, because morality is heading down the toilet.

 

[Dolores]

Not at all.

The Freedom of speech for example comes with the caviat to "Use it wisely".
Most people forget that.

All actions should be permitted unless prevented by law.
Thats where UK law differs from EU Law.
In the EU and most other places in the world your rights are given.
In the UK you have all the rights, it's up to the individual to use them wisely.

Law is there to uphold basic tenents, to control major social problems.
If people, who automatically know right from wrong in thier own actions, actually controlled themselves, we would not need laws.

So no, the only boundries that should exist are in the individuals own moral worth.

Thats is the UK's constitutional basis.
Which is getting torn apart by every government since Blair with more and more regulation.
Why, because morality is heading down the toilet.

I totally agree, by boundaries I haven't meant laws. That would be an anarchy. But there are unwritten laws and norms , most of them excising because of prejudices, society specifics etc.
And I truly believe there is no freedom of speech anymore. The media proves that, unfortunately.