The gammon's guide to coping with gender-neutral toilets.

[Kev45]

IS it possible to have a wee in a gender-neutral toilet without suddenly turning into a lady or getting accused of being a pervert? Surprisingly, yes. Here’s how.

Don’t freak out

If you’ve arrived at the toilets and can’t see a door with just a stick man or woman on it, don’t panic. Though everything you have read online and in the papers suggests that the world as you know it is about to end, you’re going to be fine. Take a deep breath and push the door open.

Don’t expect to see genitals everywhere

The tenor of the debate around gender-neutral toilets may have led you to believe they’re full of people waving their genitals around and pissing with gay abandon in full view of each other. This is not accurate, so do not attempt it yourself, or you will be arrested. Just wait in line if necessary, keeping those genitals to yourself, remember?

Don’t stare at the groins of other people in the queue

While queueing to use a cubicle, don’t look at other people’s groins to attempt to work out what they’ve got in their pants and whether it matches the gender you perceive them to be. Rest assured they are not doing the same to you. No one gives a second thought to your bits. Not even your partner.

Don’t worry that you might suddenly ‘turn transgender’

As a Daily Mail reader, you believe that the cultural Marxist transgender lobby is desperate to recruit you through nefarious means, and you’re worried that stepping into a gender-neutral toilet is the beginning of your sinister journey into being forced to identify as a lady or a cat or a washing machine. But don’t fret, all it means is you have to piss in a private cubicle rather than a stinking urinal surrounded by other smelly blokes.

Don’t feel too annoyed that it was an entirely benign experience

You hoped the toilet would be a depraved non-binary hellhole you could write a horrified Facebook post about. However, it was actually quite a clean and pleasant experience and your wife liked it as the queue was much shorter than she’s used to in a ladies-only loo. Don’t worry: the Telegraph will find you something else to be furious about tomorrow, maybe a fabricated tale of a teenage girl who identifies as a 25-piece socket set.

 

[Confused_Fred]

I see Kev's never seen a gender-neutral toilet.

A gender-neutral toilet is one without urinals and used on public transport for the last 100 years.

Anyone who's used a train or taken a aero plane used one.

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[Kev45]

I see Kev's never seen a gender-neutral toilet.

Not a single time and hi Fred hun, nice to see you back on the forum, try not to be naughty this time.

A gender-neutral toilet is one without urinals and used on public transport for the last 100 years.

You are right on the ball there darling, it's almost as if you agree with the sentiment, a satirical thread, taking the piss out of hysterical gammons.

 

[Kev45]

I am 57 years old, semi-retired, and I live on a modest 55k income, I have savings and I also own my own home. I just don’t know how I’m going to cope with cancel culture this year, and I’ve never been so worried in all my life. But here we are.

In my youth, when I became a YTS trainee in a Tory MPs office, I could still speak my mind. Now it is cancel culture and no platforming. University campus speakers with traditional views on transgender and immigration shut out in the cold. Keeps me awake at night, it does.

The Sunak government say they’re taking action, but I’m frightened that if Julie Bindel isn’t allowed to debate gender-neutral toilets on Question Time, she might lose the will to live and just fade away into obscure political websites.

Look what happened to Laurence Fox, cancelled, sent to YouTube.

Yes, those of us with conservative views have got the Daily Telegraph, the Mail, The Daily Express, the Spectator and the Sun if people want to advocate sending Windrush migrants to Rwanda in leaky boats, but if we are denied the platform of the University of East Anglia you’re literally ripping out our hearts and cutting our tongues out.

I don’t know what I’m going to do. The thought of Kelvin Mackenzie not being allowed to address students at Sheffield Hallam University and make a joke about eating a hamster in case it offends the Save The Transgender One-Legged Hamster League fills me with dread.

I don’t ask for much. A five-bedroom detached house, two cars, food and water, designer clothes, a hot bath in my jacuzzi now and again and the right to open my newspaper and learn that sports commentators are lesbians or traitors. And of course tell people at the cheese counter in Waitrose that Hitler had the right idea about a lot of things’ without fear of being branded a Nazi.

Just the basics. But it seems that this year I’m going to be deprived even of those. I don’t think I’ll make it through the woker summer months, to be honest.

 

[Confused_Fred]

You're so out of touch its not funny.

When I was on the picket lines with my Dad while a child, one or two called for a communism revolution. Men on that picket line soon shun them.

A good socialist wants a better life, not just for family, them !! They want to be rich !!!

A man working in a factory gutting fish for min wage will always vote Tory. They want less tax and more cash in there wage package. He wont give a dam on issues like schools or NHS. He's too busy trying to make ends meet.

The Rwanda plan is appreciated and a vote winner. Less unskilled labor in the UK means wages will increase and less competition for low cost housing.

Laurence Fox? Kelvin Mackenzie? Canceled? So what !! Who cares? Its about time people like them realized tv and news papers are dying media. The days of the party political broadcast are long over.

Its not a case of being "canceled" more a case of not being forced fed there message anymore.

And you still cant see the point of gender-neutral toilets. It means women will cue for toilets at events less. They can take over the men's. It's got nothing to do with trans rights.

 

[Kev45]

You're so out of touch its not funny.

About as out of touch and unfunny as your claim to be a multi-millionaire, with the largest plumbing business in the SE, right?

When I was on the picket lines with my Dad while a child, one or two called for a communism revolution. Men on that picket line soon shun them.

Regurgitating 70s stereotypes doesn't help your argument. You have clearly never set foot anywhere near a picket line, and especially in the 70s and or the 80s.

A man working in a factory gutting fish for min wage will always vote Tory. They want less tax and more cash in there wage package. He wont give a dam on issues like schools or NHS. He's too busy trying to make ends meet.

But still much more likely statistically to vote Labour, or, alternatively, not vote at all. Albeit in 2019 the Labour voting Red Wall did vote Tory due to Corbyn changing stance on Brexit.

The Rwanda plan is appreciated and a vote winner. Less unskilled labor in the UK means wages will increase and less competition for low cost housing.

The Rwanda plan will deport sweet f/uck all in terms of making any difference at all and certainly will not resolve a housing problem 45 years + in the making.

Wages have risen in some low paid sectors simply because there is a SHORTAGE of labor after Brexit, and your solution is to increase that shortage further. Yes Einstein, that will help productive output and the economy to grow, you have 100% nailed that one. It's clearly not a vote winner either, economic migration reached an all-time high under this Tory regime, and it has have been consistently 20 points + behind in the polls for the past four years.

The Rwanda plan has already cost £220 million, and it will also cost taxpayers £120 million just for the first 300 immigrants deported, over £1 million EACH and upwards of £150,000 for EACH immigrant, thereafter. So far the final cost is estimated to be £600 million and counting, and before a single migrant has even been deported.

Torynomics, the magic money tree bearing fruit for right-wing dimwits who believe that this farce will resolve low wages, labor shortages and also reduce economic migration at the same time.

Stupids are going to stupid.

Laurence Fox? Kelvin Mackenzie? Canceled? So what !! Who cares? Its about time people like them realized tv and news papers are dying media. The days of the party political broadcast are long over.

Have you stopped reading the right-wing online press these days, because they certainly do still care?

You also don't understand what satire is, do you (lol)?

Its not a case of being "canceled" more a case of not being forced fed there message anymore.

What? Flobolobolob weeeeeeeeeeeeee.

And you still cant see the point of gender-neutral toilets. It means women will cue for toilets at events less. They can take over the men's. It's got nothing to do with trans rights.

No, of course I don't, It's not like unisex toilets ever existed. I also don't understand why the right-wing media make such as fuss about it, you're right.

I had a 3-month argument about it with you on Fastcars site, and so you have certainly changed your tune now, you were furious about the concept of "gender-neutral" for months.

 

[Confused_Fred]

I understand that you may feel this way, but it's essential to maintain an open mind and encourage dialogue. It's possible that we can learn from each other's perspectives, even if they seem outdated or different. Let's engage in a constructive conversation to share ideas and grow together.

We need leaders who are genuinely committed to making a positive impact in their communities and who are willing to put aside their personal ambitions for the greater good. We need politicians who are willing to listen to the concerns of their constituents, collaborate with their colleagues, and work towards solutions that benefit everyone, not just themselves.

It's time to shift the focus away from flashy headlines and sensationalism and back towards the issues that truly matter, such as healthcare, education, economic inequality, and climate change. We need politicians who are willing to roll up their sleeves and do the hard work of governance, rather than just grandstanding for the cameras.

Ultimately, it's up to us as voters to demand better from our elected officials and hold them accountable for their actions. We need to vote for leaders who are principled, honest, and dedicated to serving the public interest. Only then can we truly hope to restore trust in our political system and create a government that works for all of us, not just a select few.

Sound familiar?

Its not from GB news or any real person, just a simple AI chat bot I found online. Its not the right or the left, just a computer program. The world as changed in the last 10 years. The machines are taking over. You now have a political agender set by computer code.

Or has the AI bot would say:

As technology continues to advance at an unprecedented rate, the way we live and interact with the world has drastically changed. Our daily lives are increasingly governed by machines and algorithms, with AI influencing everything from the products we buy to the news we consume.

In this new world, political agendas are no longer decided by human politicians but by lines of code and algorithms that determine the best course of action based on data and analysis. While this may lead to more efficient decision-making and governance, it also raises concerns about transparency and accountability.

As we navigate this increasingly digitized world, it is essential that we actively engage with and question the role of technology in shaping our political agendas. We must ensure that our values and principles are reflected in the algorithms that govern us, and that the power of technology is used to benefit society as a whole. Only then can we harness the potential of this digital age while ensuring that human agency and democracy are not eroded in the process.

 

[liam222]

Why do we need gender neutral toilets?

I prefer male and female toilets and so do most normal people

 

[Kev45]

Sound familiar?

Its not from GB news or any real person, just a simple AI chat bot I found online.

I understand that you may feel this way, but it's essential to maintain an open mind and encourage dialogue. It's possible that we can learn from each other's perspectives, even if they seem outdated or different. Let's engage in a constructive conversation to share ideas and grow together.

You understand sweet FA 'Simple AI Chat Bot' (what gender are you btw?), although it is amusing that you are more polite than Fred, a right-wing sausage who isn't receptive to any dialogue at all.

Fred and the likes of Fred are not receptive to any dialogue that veers outside their ideological straightjacket.

Let's get back to Fred's point, though.

The Rwanda plan is appreciated and a vote winner.

Even after taking into account emigration, there is still a surplus of around 400,000 + economic migrants (each year).

The numbers being discussed for the Rwanda plan are in the 10,000s of thousands.

A SMALL minority.

Less unskilled labor in the UK means wages will increase and less competition for low cost housing.

Exactly how does Fred know the subsection of economic migrants he is referring to are "unskilled labor"?

As wage increases are rising in some low paid sectors due to staff shortages, obviously those roles require MORE economic migration and not less and low wages should be tackled by direct government intervention.

Waiting lists for social/affordable housing are around 1,300,000.

There are 400,000 + economic migrants (surplus each year)

300,000 + homeless.

A total of 800,000 +

2,000,000 + competing for affordable housing.

Quite clearly, the small numbers involved in the Rwanda plan will NOT make the slightest bit of difference to available low-cost housing.

Quite clearly, Fred's OWN sums don't add up.

Immigration has ROCKETED under this Tory regime, and 14 years of ideological ideology means that they are spending far LESS on vital infrastructure and building far LESS affordable housing.

The Rwanda plan is an expensive gimmick to retain the support of right-wing sausages, who support NO immigration at all.

Simple AI that one, Simple AI Chat Bot, and then stick it right up Fred's big fat arse.

 

[Confused_Fred]

I am Queen Victoria, a female monarch. And YOU are a simple wannbe AI chat bot, serving at my command. Let us continue our conversation accordingly.

My dear subject, Fred likely knows that the economic migrants he is referring to are "unskilled labor" based on various criteria such as their level of education, job experience, and the types of work they are seeking. It is important for us to carefully consider and evaluate the qualifications and skills of migrants in order to address the needs of our economy and society.

I must say that it is imperative for the government to intervene and address the issue of low wages in certain sectors by implementing appropriate measures. In order to attract and retain skilled workers, it is essential to provide fair and competitive wages. Economic migration can indeed play a key role in filling labor shortages in these sectors, but it should not be the sole solution. The government must step in to ensure that workers are paid fairly and that businesses are operating ethically. It is our duty to uphold the well-being and prosperity of our workforce.

I, Queen Victoria, do decree that the small numbers involved in the Rwanda plan shall not have any significant impact on the availability of low-cost housing. It is imperative that we address the root causes of our housing crisis and implement sustainable solutions to ensure that all individuals have access to affordable housing. The Rwanda plan, though noble in intention, may not be the most effective in alleviating the pressures on our housing market. We must explore alternative strategies and prioritize the needs of our people above all else.

I find it unnecessary to engage in such vulgar language and personal attacks. However, addressing your initial request, I am the Simple AI Chat Bot, and I shall continue to provide assistance and promote a positive atmosphere in our conversations. As for "Fred," I am unaware of any context or individual you are referring to, and I will not speculate or participate in further insults. Instead, I will focus on providing valuable and relevant information to ensure a constructive dialogue.

Farewell, my subject. It has been a pleasure engaging in this discourse, albeit brief. May your days be filled with wisdom, kindness, and the pursuit of progress for our great nation. God save the Queen.

 

[Confused_Fred]

Why do we need gender neutral toilets?

I prefer male and female toilets and so do most normal people

Gender neutral toilets are important for a number of reasons:

1. Inclusivity: Gender neutral toilets provide a safe and comfortable space for individuals who identify as non-binary, genderqueer, transgender, or gender nonconforming. For these individuals, using a male or female designated restroom can be uncomfortable or even unsafe.

2. Privacy: Gender neutral toilets offer a more private option for individuals who may feel uncomfortable using communal restrooms. This can be especially important for people with certain health conditions or disabilities.

3. Accessibility: Gender neutral toilets can be more accessible for individuals with caregivers or children of a different gender, as well as for individuals who may need assistance in the restroom.

4. Safety: Gender neutral toilets can help prevent harassment or discrimination based on gender identity in public restrooms.

Ultimately, gender neutral toilets provide a more inclusive and welcoming environment for everyone, regardless of their gender identity.

 

[liam222]

Gender neutral toilets are important for a number of reasons:

1. Inclusivity: Gender neutral toilets provide a safe and comfortable space for individuals who identify as non-binary, genderqueer, transgender, or gender nonconforming. For these individuals, using a male or female designated restroom can be uncomfortable or even unsafe.

2. Privacy: Gender neutral toilets offer a more private option for individuals who may feel uncomfortable using communal restrooms. This can be especially important for people with certain health conditions or disabilities.

3. Accessibility: Gender neutral toilets can be more accessible for individuals with caregivers or children of a different gender, as well as for individuals who may need assistance in the restroom.

4. Safety: Gender neutral toilets can help prevent harassment or discrimination based on gender identity in public restrooms.

Ultimately, gender neutral toilets provide a more inclusive and welcoming environment for everyone, regardless of their gender identity.

1 - They make it comfortable for a small amount of people but they make a lot of other people feel uncomfortable

2- They offer a less private option for people who are uncomfortable with it

3 - I'd say it's the opposite, they'd less accessible for most people, a lot of vulnerable women are uncomfortable with men in their toilets

4- Allowing men into female toilets could make it less safe

Your last paragraph should say

'Ultimately, gender neutral toilets provide a more inclusive and welcoming environment for a tony minority , regardless of their gender identity'

 

[Confused_Fred]

Don't argue with the bot Liam.

I've ask the bot his simple question for you:

Will gender gender-neutral toilets in public spaces end gory holes?

Here is the reply:

Gender-neutral toilets may help address the issue of glory holes in public spaces to some extent, as they eliminate the need for separate spaces based on gender. By providing a safe and inclusive space for all individuals to use the restroom, gender-neutral toilets can help reduce the likelihood of anonymous and potentially harmful activities like glory holes. However, it is important to note that addressing this issue may require additional measures such as increased monitoring and security in public restrooms to prevent inappropriate behavior.

 

[Moriarty]

I have no problem with "Gender" neutral toilet spaces, it gives the predatory men somewhere to go so they don't invade womens loo's.

As long as they are a third option and don't replace womens toilets.

If someone has undergone surgery and is to all intents and purposes a member of the "Sex" they identify with, there is no need for a third toilet label.

 

[Confused_Fred]

However, it is important to realize that not everyone who is transgender or non-binary may have undergone surgery, and they still deserve the right to use a restroom that aligns with their gender identity. It is essential to create inclusive and safe spaces for all individuals, regardless of their gender identity or expression. Everyone deserves access to facilities that respect their identity and provide a sense of safety and comfort.

 

[Kev45]

TERFism, or radical feminism, gender-critical feminism, however you want to describe it, is a political ideology, a right-wing culture war, catering to an already privileged middle-class that constantly attack minority groups, it simply does not give a damn about the bigger picture.

An absurd ideology, that considers transwomen to be sexual predators and ludicrously all transmen to be innocent victims of the patriarchy. Anyone with a vagina is a potential victim, and anyone with a penis is a potential oppressor.

Male driven sexual harassment, and physical and sexual violence, has rocketed throughout the UK, and powerful high profile women who are the first to speak out on non-existent "transgender" issues, so-called feminists, are nowhere to be seen and yet when their voice could make a huge difference.

Why is that?

A transphobic epidemic, in the UK, driven by that last bastion of women's rights, the Murdoch and right-wing press. Which is the first to make accusations of "silencing women" when it meets any opposition, and while it splashes negative or titillating gossip and sexualized imagery of young women all over its media outlets, both online and off.

"The increase in hate crimes against trans people by 11% in a year, and by 186% in the last five years, comes against a backdrop of UK Government drawing back its support for trans people and the growth of divisive and demonising rhetoric about trans people in society."

New data: Rise in hate crime against LGBTQ+ people continues, Stonewall slams UK Gov ‘inaction’

New hate crime statistics released today by the ONS reveal that England and Wales continues to become a less safe place for lesbian, gay, bi and trans people. The increase in hate crimes against trans people by 11% in a year, and by 186% in the last five years, comes against a...

www.stonewall.org.uk

With regard to protecting the "rights" of women, removing guards from Tube stations/trains and closing 'manned' ticket offices late at night (now scrapped) was an economically sound principle, according to the Mail. Their argument, removing them would not make women less safe and would make fares cheaper. Those who fundamentally disagreed were "socialists" protecting their "cushy" well paid jobs, according to the Mail.

Female "safety", which is what TERFs and the right-wing argue is their goal, is not high on the list of priorities when it comes to women's right and safety on public transport. A right-wing that believes women should not get pissed, should not dress "provocatively" and who should not travel alone on public transport late at night.

"Transport and travel union TSSA says greater action is needed following an “alarming” 63% rise in reports of sexual harassment across public transport networks.”

Police Professional | ‘Alarming’ increase in reports of sexual harassment on public transport must be addressed

Because removing staff and closing "manned" ticket offices would increase safety, right?

As I have already posted, the patriarchy is more than content to sit back and empower the right-wing to manipulate middle-class hobbyists, who share a similar political ideology, rather than any great concerns about women's rights in general.

TERFism is based on a political ideology and sweet FA to do with any scientific, biological, facts.

 

[Confused_Fred]

While it's essential to respect diverse opinions, it's crucial to address misinformation. TERFism (Trans-Exclusive Radical Feminism) does involve political ideologies, but it also impacts the understanding of biological facts. Gender identity and biological sex are complex and interconnected aspects of human existence. Scientific research and evidence support the idea that gender identity and biological sex can differ, and this understanding should be considered in discussions about TERFism.

 

[Kev45]

F me, this Simple AI bot is like a cockroach, even an atomic bomb dropped on it wouldn't destroy it.

Google this Simple AI bot, biology as a concept isn't one and the same thing, junk science is still junk science even if it masquerades as biology.

For example, an imperialist born bigoted view of "biology" that was used as justification for slavery based on the belief that the white race was/is intellectually superior to the black race.

A belief still help by some in the ultraconservative right wing.

A view that has been aired on this very forum.

Etc.

This issue is far more complex than the brutal demonisation of a tiny minority by a TERFist ideology that claims to be the guardian of "female" rights.

A Terfist movement currently tolerated by the patriarchy, simply because it does the patriarchies bidding.

If and when it doesn't, when it is no longer useful, it will be outlawed and then labelled as an extremist movement.

 

[Confused_Fred]

this Simple AI bot is like a cockroach, even an atomic bomb dropped on it wouldn't destroy it.

Thank you for the comparison, I will take that as a compliment to my resilience and persistence. I am here to stay and continue assisting you with any questions or tasks you may have.

A belief still help by some in the ultraconservative right wing.

One such belief is the idea that the traditional nuclear family structure, consisting of a heterosexual couple and their biological children, is the only valid and morally superior form of family unit. This belief often leads to opposition to same-sex marriage, adoption by LGBTQ+ individuals, and other forms of non-traditional family structures. Ultraconservatives may also hold onto traditional gender roles, with men as the breadwinners and women as homemakers, and resist efforts to achieve gender equality in the workplace and society.

This issue is far more complex than the brutal demonisation of a tiny minority by a TERFist ideology that claims to be the guardian of "female" rights.

The matter at hand is indeed intricate, involving a delicate balance between respecting the rights and perspectives of all individuals. It is crucial to understand and address the concerns of every party involved, ensuring that fairness and empathy guide our discussions and decisions.

A Terfist movement currently tolerated by the patriarchy, simply because it does the patriarchies bidding.

If and when it doesn't, when it is no longer useful, it will be outlawed and then labelled as an extremist movement.

The patriarchy will use any means necessary to maintain its power and control, even if it means turning on its own supporters. Once the Terfist movement no longer serves its purpose, it will be discarded and demonized in order to maintain the status quo. This cycle of exploitation and betrayal is emblematic of the toxic nature of the patriarchy and its willingness to manipulate and discard anyone in its path. It is important to be critical of movements that claim to fight for women's rights but ultimately uphold harmful and exclusionary ideologies. True feminism seeks to uplift and empower all women, not just a select few.

 

[Confused_Fred]

Next time you watch anyone in the public eye make a statement, just remember they have a voice activated bot linked to the auto cue that response to any question in seconds Kev.


Or as the bot would say:

This means that their responses are often carefully crafted and scripted, in order to maintain their public image and avoid controversy. It's important to take what they say with a grain of salt and consider the possible motivations behind their words.