'Taking the knee' at the football

[Whiskers]

Everyone is allowed their own opinion

 

[Whiskers]

Some ppl will agree others wont

 

[Bad_Influence]

There are open Marxists out there, it's just that people reject the ideology. Communism doesn't have a great track record on human rights(more people killed than WWI and WWII combined), and to see the England football club and Gareth South Gate adopt those types of ideologies, isn't going to go down well with some people.

I don’t for one minute believe the players and staff support Marxism, but the fact that the gesture CAN BE SEEN TO BE ASSOCIATED with Marxism is well known. That they don’t seem to listen, or understand that the fans won’t get behind the very important equality message while they take the knee, is at best naive, at worst arrogant.

 

[Wojcik]

I don’t for one minute believe the players and staff support Marxism, but the fact that the gesture CAN BE SEEN TO BE ASSOCIATED with Marxism is well known. That they don’t seem to listen, or understand that the fans won’t get behind the very important equality message while they take the knee, is at best naive, at worst arrogant.

But if they oppose it, they will most likely be suspended and lose their job or position on the team. There's already an anti-racism campaign called Kick It Out, and that is about dealing with racism in football.

 

[Wojcik]

Some ppl will agree others wont

I think it's fine to disagree with people. That's also a part of your freedom of expression. We're not going to agree on every single matter after all.

 

[SamBally]

There are open Marxists out there, it's just that people reject the ideology. Communism doesn't have a great track record on human rights(more people killed than WWI and WWII combined), and to see the England football club and Gareth South Gate adopt those types of ideologies, isn't going to go down well with some people.

You have no idea what "Marxist" even means. You have no idea where the 'theory' was born and you have no idea what my avatar symbolizes.

Blurting out repeatedly "Marxism is evil" further demonstrates your complete lack of knowledge.

Confusing communism (an ideology) and Marxism (a concept) further reinforce how little you know.

Repeatedly arguing all Marxists are one and the same is a bit like arguing everyone who drank in Fred West'ss local is a mass murderer.

Clueless.

 

[Bad_Influence]

But if they oppose it, they will most likely be suspended and lose their job or position on the team. There's already an anti-racism campaign called Kick It Out, and that is about dealing with racism in football.

Exactly. There are rumours, and a emphasise only rumours, that the players have been told the must take the knee. Nobody knows if there is any truth in it, but yes I’m sure the fear of not being picked would persuade some who would otherwise not take a knee.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Wojcic, don’t worry about Sam, if the gesture had anti-socialist connotations he’d have gone into meltdown by now.

 

[Wojcik]

Exactly. There are rumours, and a emphasise only rumours, that the players have been told the must take the knee. Nobody knows if there is any thrush in it, but yes I’m sure the fear of not being picked would persuade some who would otherwise not take a knee.

Imagine a player refuses. That would literally be the end of their career. There is no freedom of choice if you're a player or have a role in a club.
They would be branded as all of the buzzwords and ism's. What i did find amusing was that South Gate was branded a hero by Novaro Media, who are openly Communist.

 

[SamBally]

These people are amusing and not intentionally.

Communism or Marxism is not illegal in the UK. The way these hard righters discuss the topic you would assume it is.

You can't have a decent political debate with people who type-

"There are open Marxists out there"

Exactly the same type used to openly say that about gay people in the not-so-distant past.

Or-

"It's OK to protest but taking the knee is disrespectful"


The UK is a democracy. In a democracy, people have the right to protest in a peaceful manner and in what manner they so choose.

These people, with their colonial mindset and like just white plantation owners of a bygone era.

It's OK to protest, they grandly give their permission, just so long as it is in a manner they approve of.

 

[Bad_Influence]

These people are amusing and not intentionally.

Communism or Marxism is not illegal in the UK. The way these hard righters discuss the topic you would assume it is.

You can't have a decent political debate with people who type-

"There are open Marxists out there"

Exactly the same type used to openly say that about gay people in the not-so-distant past.

Or-

"It's OK to protest but taking the knee is disrespectful"


The UK is a democracy. In a democracy, people have the right to protest in a peaceful manner and in what manner they so choose.

These people, with their colonial mindset and like just white plantation owners of a bygone era.

It's OK to protest, they grandly give their permission, just so long as it is in a manner they approve of.

What part of ‘Politics has no place in sport’ can’t you understand? That’s politics of ANY sort. Allowing it will bring in so many possibilities for misuse by fans, players, clubs, the media, etc.
As I said, even the IOC know this, and until now the FA knew it. Saying it’s not a political gesture simply does not change the fact that it is seen by many as being one.

 

[Wojcik]

Wojcic, don’t worry about Sam, if the gesture had anti-socialist connotations he’d have gone into meltdown by now.

Well he has a Hammer and Sickle, and advocating the Communist Manifesto as his profile pic, so i don't really take him too seriously lol. But I am glad he's here and responding.

 

[SamBally]

Very funny. Just not up to the job. D- and a Fail.

Can't have politics in sport they demand, as black players are subjected to racist abuse both from the terraces and social media on a daily if not weekly basis.

Thankfully for our democracy, the UK, we do currently have protests in sport and all the major British sports bodies have supported athletes who choose to take the knee in protest at the racism that is still prevalent in British society.

All the important people.

So we do have politics in sport and there really isn't a lot the hard right can do about it.

Except for moaning, endlessly, on social media.

 

[Bad_Influence]

And that same democracy allows fans to demonstrate their own opinions.

Nobody wants racism to continue, whether it be in sport or elsewhere, and I, and many others it seems, are happy to get behind the Kick It Out program. However, as you are obviously not even trying to understand, anti-racism is NOT a political message and should not be seen as one. Therefore to use a gesture that has overtly political connotations has won them nothing. The fans will not accept being told their opinion doesn't matter by millionaire virtue-signalling footballers. And the arrogance of football to think they can ignore the fans is only making it worse. To claim everyone who boos is racist is just a scattergun approach, maybe if they listened to the fans maybe the would understand why they boo. But no, like you Sam, they just throw the racist accusation out because it’s easier than listening.

 

[SamBally]

As others have quite rightly pointed out, taking the knee will not affect the lives of the hard right, in any shape or form, either now or in the future.

This white colonial mindset. Black players are inferior in the eyes of these people. They angrily demand that black athletes must go through the current system. "Kick it Out" being one of them and which have systematically failed to protect them from racism either on the pitch or off.

You see, only white people know what's best for black people according to the hard-right and their colonial mindset.

 

[SamBally]

The fans will not accept being told their opinion doesn't matter by millionaire virtue-signalling footballers.

They most certainly will when stadium bans are introduced to halt their abuse. There won't be any ifs or buts about it.

But again it's that colonial mindset, white superiority, that because some black players earn "millions" they should somehow accept the racist abuse white fans shower them with.

 

[Bad_Influence]

They most certainly will when stadium bans are introduced to halt their abuse. There won't be any ifs or buts about it.

But again it's that colonial mindset, white superiority, that because some black players earn "millions" they should somehow accept the racist abuse white fans shower them with.

You think they dare introduce bans? Wow. You do support the Thought Police. You want to ban opinions now?
And it’s sod all to do with white superiority other than it your twisted mind.

 

[SamBally]

Says the member who describes himself as "patriot" but hasn't got the bollards to explain what that is because in his own words "I would be banned for life".

I think that is self-explanatory.

There are those who lurk in the shadows whining, endlessly, with no courage to be who they really are and there are those who publicly get off their backsides and try and make a difference.

Thank god we still have brave men and women who fight their own battles.

 

[Omega]

So we do have politics in sport and there really isn't a lot the hard right can do about it.

I was about to point you towards a thread, in which you were agreeing with Bad Influence ( which I found pretty odd) regarding the fact that bands shouldn't bring politics into music, yet here you are condoning politics in sport ....

I recall the above very well, as it was one of those threads I wanted to dig up and question.

Oddly your posts on said thread seem to have disappeared

Tuts and walks off ....

 

[Bad_Influence]

Says the member who describes himself as "patriot" but hasn't got the bollards to explain what that is because in his own words "I would be banned for life".

I think that is self-explanatory.

There are those who lurk in the shadows whining, endlessly, with no courage to be who they really are and there are those who publicly get off their backsides and try and make a difference.

Thank god we still have brave men and women who fight their own battles.

Nice try. Busy an epic fail.