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ssshhthe sun is shining we don't want rain .Shamamia, here i go again
My my, how can I resist you
Enjoy all of that sunshine , great start to the weekend.ssshhthe sun is shining we don't want rain .
She was filmed yesterday at the detention camp in Syria, wearing leggings, a leather jacket and sunglasses. A far cry from last year when she was dressed all in black and carrying what looked like a bundle of rags. The supreme court has ruled she can't come back to the UK to challenge her loss of citizenship. Rightly so! Just think about that for a moment. If she had been allowed back and then lost her appeal, would she then have been escorted back to Syria? HardlyShe can't come in!
She was filmed yesterday at the detention camp in Syria, wearing leggings, a leather jacket and sunglasses. A far cry from last year when she was dressed all in black and carrying what looked like a bundle of rags. The supreme court has ruled she can't come back to the UK to challenge her loss of citizenship. Rightly so! Just think about that for a moment. If she had been allowed back and then lost her appeal, would she then have been escorted back to Syria? Hardly
What does this have to do with Shamima Begum and her story? It's not related to the thread. If you want proper discourse and open dialogue on it, create your own thread, instead of high jacking Dong's thread, which is unrelated to his post.
Who's telling you to do anything? I'm making a suggestion that you create your own thread, with your own sources, related to what you want to post. There's a significant difference between telling someone to do something, and then suggesting to do something using examples on how they can achieve this effectively.
And i posted a lyrics in a comedic sense, due to the context of this thread being light hearted. Then i followed up with a more serious discussion in related to LadyOnARoofTop's comment. It's all about context.
And i posted lyrics in a comedic sense, due to the context of this thread initially being light hearted. Then i followed up with a more serious discussion in related to LadyOnARoofTop's comment. It's all about context.
Subject matter has been hijacked sadly.
Pointless saying anything else.
This thread is light hearted? Um, which part of the 'thread' before your post was light hearted?
Yes, context indeed. Uh-huh.
On the same level. Any thoughts on the lack of outrage following the sentence for 18 yr old Harry Vaughan, from south-west London?
[Nov 2020]
''In a pre-sentence report, Vaughan indicated there were no “significant political”, “racist or homophobic” views expressed during his upbringing. The teenager’s father, who was in court, is a clerk in the House of Lords and his mother is a teacher.
The judge took account of the defendant’s young age and his diagnosis of autistic spectrum disorder. He also acknowledged a letter from Vaughan’s parents, who are committed to helping him “change for the better”.''
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''A teenage Satanist and far-right extremist has been given a suspended sentence after posting bomb-making manuals on neo-Nazi forums and downloading indecent images of children.
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photo: Harry Vaughan via Guardian article.
Harry Vaughan, 18, a grammar school pupil who achieved four A* grades in his A-levels, was sentenced at the Old Bailey on Monday after admitting 14 terrorism offences and two child abuse image offences. He was given two years’ detention suspended for two years.
Vaughan was arrested by police in June last year following an investigation into an online forum called Fascist Forge.
Police found that the teenager, of south-west London, had been concealing his identity behind numerous aliases and boasting about school shootings, sharing explosives manuals and neo-Nazi propaganda online, expressing homophobic views and downloading indecent images of underage boys.
Digital forensic specialists retrieved 4,200 images and 302 files from Vaughan’s devices including an extreme rightwing terrorist book and documents relating to Satanism, neo-Nazism and antisemitism.
Police also discovered graphics encouraging acts of terrorism in the name of the proscribed organisation Sonnenkrieg Division and footage of the 2019 Christchurch mosque massacre.
Several homemade posters were found in the bedroom of the teenager, who attended Tiffin grammar school in Kingston-upon-Thames in Surrey.
One featured the Norwegian far-right killer Anders Breivik and the words “every girl loves a mass murderer” and “it’s okay to be a Nazi”.
Richard Smith, the head of the Met’s counter-terrorism command, said the case showed that any young person can be susceptible to radicalisation.
He said: “Harry Vaughan is an intelligent young man … yet, online, he was an enthusiastic participant of rightwing terrorist forums.
“His case illustrates it is possible for any young person to be susceptible to radicalisation, so today I really want to appeal to everyone to be as vigilant as possible for signs that a young loved one may be in trouble.”
In a pre-sentence report, Vaughan indicated there were no “significant political”, “racist or homophobic” views expressed during his upbringing. The teenager’s father, who was in court, is a clerk in the House of Lords and his mother is a teacher.
The judge took account of the defendant’s young age and his diagnosis of autistic spectrum disorder. He also acknowledged a letter from Vaughan’s parents, who are committed to helping him “change for the better”.
His extremist views, which he now claims to have renounced, were said to be “driven by internet use”.
Prosecutor Dan Pawson-Pounds said: “The material demonstrated unequivocally that Vaughan had an entrenched extreme rightwing and racist mindset, as well as an interest in explosives, firearms and violence more generally.”
Vaughan’s barrister, Naeem Mian QC, told the Old Bailey that a “toxic cocktail of factors” had led the defendant to “disappear down a rabbit hole of the internet” into a “very, very dark place”.
Teenage Satanist and far-right extremist sentenced for terrorism offences
I am afraid I am on the fence with regard to Shemima Begum, whilst I do tend agree with the decision regarding her citizenship, I have an element of doubt also. Probably stemmed from being a parent and having bought up two girls. But I wonder how much of her decision to leave the UK was governed by puberty, the faddy nature of a teenager at that age, they do tend to have idols, my eldest had her room festooned with posters. And we all know that as you are grow older you change your mind, your interests, your desires, your tastes etc surely the same could be applied to her. But then we will never know the full facts really.
Yes, I agree that she was a very clever young girl, and I suppose when you think about it, there are some young people out there who know what they are going to do for with their life, for instance I know a young lad, who at the age of around 14 wanted to be a airline pilot, in which he succeeded. In that context, I agree that she knew what she was doing but my point is do peoples beliefs and wants remain the same as they grow older? I know I changed as I grew older. things I felt passionately about, no longer matter, my priorities changed. And because of this, I do wonder if the same thing happened to her. Perhaps I was different type of teenager as I did tend to look at things through rose coloured glasses and sadly was an avid reader of Mills and Boone and Barbara Cartland books back then!The two case are not the same , one left country and she know what she was doing , she very clever young girl so the reports was saying when she disappeared. along 2 other they knew what they was getting into.
Yes, I agree that she was a very clever young girl, and I suppose when you think about it, there are some young people out there who know what they are going to do for with their life, for instance I know a young lad, who at the age of around 14 wanted to be a airline pilot, in which he succeeded. In that context, I agree that she knew what she was doing but my point is do peoples beliefs and wants remain the same as they grow older? I know I changed as I grew older. things I felt passionately about, no longer matter, my priorities changed. And because of this, I do wonder if the same thing happened to her. Perhaps I was different type of teenager as I did tend to look at things through rose coloured glasses and sadly was an avid reader of Mills and Boone and Barbara Cartland books back then!