Keir Starmer reinstate the 2030 ban on new petrol and diesel car sales

[Not_Fred_Honest]

From 2030 no more new petrol and diesel car sales again

Now the government mite be run by morons but even they know people will rush out and buy petrol and diesel cars in 2029.

The question is: how do you prevent that?

A while ago .... I pointed out that Brighton council was passing a new by law restricting the sale of petrol and diesel to private car owns within the town.

Some "shut in" called it bull sh** ............I forget his name.... elwood.

They want most cars and vans to be electric by 2040. Now I've not looked outside the Brighton area, but I think you will find other local authority are doing the same as Brighton. Within the next 5 years buying petrol and diesel for a car will become harder.

It's clear there targeting the second hand market with his change

So think twice before you buy a new petrol car, you mite not be able to sell it

 

[Kev45]

Can someone translate this confused mishmash for me because no one I know has heard of it and I can find no evidence online Brighton introduced any such ban. In fact, I was in Brighton last month and filled up, as usual, at the Asda petrol station.

A number of towns and cities have introduced pedestrian only, or limited access, over the past few decades, it isn't a new concept.

The grown-ups want their children to grow up in a world where there is less harmful greenhouse gas emissions and pollutants, and especially in a green city such as Brighton and Hove.

Of course, petrol and diesel will still be widely available after 2030, there are 35 million vehicles using them.

Changing consumer habits is a slow process and btw, they are not being banned outright, only the sale of "new" vehicles and hybrids will still be available until 2035.

 

[elwoodbluz1966]

The cost of switching to electric is still ridiculous for most drivers. There isn't either the power sources needed or enough charging points. And the whole battery issue still hasn't been sorted, despite the fact we had electric milk floats in the 1970's. You Mr Know It All Fred and the powers that be, are living in a dream world. The oli industry will see that there are petrol and diesel cars well beyond 2030.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Kev its in this:

chrome-extension://efaidnbmnnnibpcajpcglclefindmkaj/https://www.brighton-hove.gov.uk/sites/default/files/2024-12/B%26H%20Decarbonisation%20Pathways%20Report.pdf

I'm not sure if that link will work.

Our council hides stuff like this away like new red routes so when people find out ........ its too late to complain
And as I pointed out BEFORE petrol stations are closing in the town and the land going for new housing

I've look round the road and most of the petrol/diesel lease/hire cars will be gone by 2030. That's 20-30% of all new cars on the road right now.

In the United Kingdom, there were 33.93 million cars (81.3 per cent), 4.8 million LGVs (11.5 per cent), 0.54 million HGVs (1.3 per cent), 1.47 million motorcycles (3.5 per cent), 0.14 million buses & coaches (0.3 per cent) and 0.87 million other vehicles (2.1 per cent) licensed at the end of June 2024.

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Looking at the numbers by 2030 petrol cars should be below 50%

That number will decrease to 30% by 2035.

And if cars dont need petrol .........you don't need petrol stations

 

[Kev45]

I know exactly why you made the post, but even so, I will play along.

35 million existing diesel and petrol vehicles in use now won't suddenly "disappear" before 2030, and you live in cloud-cuckoo-land if you believe otherwise, the ban is for "new" vehicles and introduced by Boris in 2020.

10 years is more than enough warning regarding that ban in 2030 and 15 years until hybrids are banned.

Why are you making statements about bans, presenting them as facts, then posting PDF links that you claim support your argument that don't open?

Just post a damn link that works.

Then claiming Brighton and Hove, a proudly green ward, and an MP elected on those credentials, "hides stuff away", it doesn't need to hide anything away.

Then some random graph about EVs which has sweet FA to do with your initial claim about petrol station bans in Brighton, and the graph only covers 2023 to 2026 anyway, and it is totally irrelevant.

Of course, there will be less consumer need for petrol stations as people switch to hybrids and then full EV after 2035.

Petrol stations closing because business owners recognize a lucrative housing market is more profitable is sweet FA to do with an imaginary ban that you claim.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Then claiming Brighton and Hove, a proudly green ward, and an MP elected on those credentials, "hides stuff away", it doesn't need to hide anything away.

Brighton is one of the dirtiest places on the south coast that plays at being "green"
Every summer thousand's of people are on the beaches cooking with disposable bbq's and the towns got more log burners than anyone else. Now both were banned by the council years ago.

They pass "green" laws here and don't enforce them. If they did, well they'd **** everyone off

There more for show

Now the suns out, water flat and I'm off for a paddle, love u x

 

[Kev45]

Blimey, only Saturday you claimed to be a member of the local green community, living a green lifestyle, barbecues on the beach and all that, and now you are rubbishing your own lifestyle.

Pissed you Saturday versus sober you with a hangover on Monday.

If Labour does what Labour say they are going to do, and I am not a believer due to Rachel 'iron chancellor' Reeve's self-imposed fiscal straightjacket, they have no choice but to heavily invest in EV infrastructure because the private sector certainly won't.

Then no doubt heavily subsidize the switch over to EV, ie hand in your old petrol or diesel, and we will cover x amount of your new EV.

Then they will tax the bejesus out of cars that don't meet new emission targets.

But of course until that new tech and infrastructure emerges, it is all pie in the sky.

Of course, it will negatively impact most on the average person, us peasants, and not online millionaires like Fred.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I is back from the beach

There new road tax rates this year and this will hit some hard.
In some areas like London and Brum they're running a car scrap scheme.

Scrappage scheme

The Mayor of London has funded a £110m scrappage scheme, which provides financial assistance to help eligible London residents scrap vehicles that don’t meet the ULEZ emissions standards. The zone expanded across all London boroughs on 29 August 2023.

tfl.gov.uk

Applications to the Clean Air Zone Vehicle Scrappage and Travel Credit Scheme are now open | Birmingham City Council

Applications to the Clean Air Zone Vehicle Scrappage and Travel Credit Scheme are now open - Birmingham Clean Air Zone, Vehicle Scrappage and Travel Scheme, 1 June 2021

www.birmingham.gov.uk

They seem to have a plan to help people with older cars now. This may go nationwide before 2030

 

[Kev45]

Fred, I am genuinely curious, why on earth are you so desperate to convince total strangers online that you live an imaginary active lifestyle on the ocean waves?

Like, why on earth do you describe going out on a "kayak" as going to the "beach". No one planning a trip on their kayak says "I am going to the beach", they say "Kev, I am going out on the kayak for an hour".

Is it an urge you can't control because it's really rather needy publicly broadcasting it repeatedly, like a stuck record, and it's not like anyone else on this site really gives a toss, is it?

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Kev it mite not have been a big deal for you, but for me taking the new "imaginary kayak" out for the first time was
Yesterday was a better day for it but the beach road too busy and closed down for the Brighton marathon.

I cant really take a new untested "imaginary kayak" out in 4 foot waves, but I mite later this week

 

[Kev45]

You can't take an "unsinkable" (your choice of word) imaginary sea kayak out in four foot waves, and which doesn't sound like Shoreham beach to me anyway?

The beach road was too busy?

Although you have repeatedly said you live on the actual beachfront, and that you wheel your imaginary kayak down to the water directly from your imaginary beachfront house.

This is the problem here, Fred, you often say one thing drunk and another thing when you are sober.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Oh Kev..... let me tell you a story of woe

Brighton's beaches are closed for the marathon.

Here a map of the route.



You can see they close all the roads for miles.

My home's not on this map, I'm over on the left about 3 miles.

To make sure that I don't feel left out, they close my road for Brighton marathon coach and park & ride bus parking
And all those people who enjoy the beach but don't want to be involved with the marathon head over here on their cycles or cars.




Shoreham Widewater nature reserve

It was total madness Sunday. The local car parks were filled up by 8am and by 10am people were parking on the grass. I can understand why, parking is about £20 for the day in Brighton, here its about a fiver. They just took the bus into the event and paid about £2.

 

[Kev45]

I am not interested in the Brighton marathon, or parking charges, Fred. I bet you wish you hadn't made this troll thread now, right?

You live in Shoreham-by-Sea Fred, not Brighton (so you claim). You have repeatedly stated you imaginarily kayak at Shoreham Beach via your beachfront house.

You are also still not making any sense Fred, you claimed on Saturday that you took your imaginary new sea kayak out for two hours.

Apparently now you need to "test" an "unsinkable" imaginary sea kayak that is specifically built for the American market and the waves were too high at 4 feet in Shoreham to do it today.

A sea kayak built for oceanic conditions in America that are far more hazardous than the extremely safe (on average) Shoreham beach in lil old Blighty.

The biggest hazards in Shoreham are commercial shipping and tides, not waves, you do know that it is a "port" town with natural protection from the worst sea conditions, right?

One of the sites that monitors ocean conditions for local surfers and kayakers etc, states the "waves" today were only 3ft anyway.

Why would an "unsinkable" imaginary American sea kayak not be able to easily withstand piddly 3-foot waves, Fred?

You do realize we all have access to information about sea conditions in any part of the UK, but especially Shoreham-by-Sea, right?

Run along now, and do try to enjoy the rest of your evening.

Surf forecast and sea conditions in Shoreham-by-Sea. Swellinfo

Surf report in Shoreham-by-Sea. The surf forecasts measurements are updated daily with a ten days forecast so you can make plan your holiday in advance

seatemperature.info

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I live at Shoreham Beach not Shoreham by Sea. You can buy a house in Shoreham by Sea for 1/2 the price of Shoreham Beach.......... cos its by the beach



A new "imaginary kayak" is like driving a new car for the first time. It takes you a while to find the feel for it. All the extra gear you need don't help too. Had a 5mm wetsuit on, socks, boots and gloves, pdf and a vhf radio. Took it down on a trolly too with a flask of coffee.

The seas really cold right now.

Shoreham Water Temperature (Sea) and Wetsuit Guide (South Coast, UK)

Shoreham water temperature - check out the ocean temperature for surfing, kayaking and windsurfing. Wetsuit guide based on current sea temperature observations.

www.surf-forecast.com

The sea's been flat for the last few days on the out going tide.

https://www.surfline.com/surf-report/shoreham/601896c5797ce97445fac470?referral=msw

The ships aren't really an issue here, they come in on the morning tide and leave on the late one.

Its a nice life here. If you want a nite out you can hit the flesh pots of Brighton or just give it a miss and drink a coffee on the beach

And your still not invited Kev

 

[Kev45]

You just can't stop waffling and digging an even deeper hole, can you, Fred?

You made this thread to troll, and that's the only reason why you made this thread.

You enjoy getting "revenge" by posting another thread to do it on, don't you, Fred?

Read line 5 of your first post and then repeat it to yourself.

Btw Fred, I realise that you don't understand the "bigger" picture, but small independent town and city centre petrol stations have been closing for decades. Certainly since Thatcher, simply because the big boys, supermarkets etc, undercut them and beat them on price and deliberately priced them out of the market before putting those prices back up.

I also find it amusing you manage to find "links that work" when you are jabbering on about nothing in particular, but can't find links that do work that support your constant porkie pies.

Now off you fvck back under that bridge troll boy.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Oh Kev..........

This area's got working public transport system and really bad roads

I did try and download that pdf and post it on here, but the files too big

Just google:

B&H Decarbonisation Pathways Report

I think its under 7.1 of that report or in the apex small print. It should be a nice bed time read for you

 

[Kev45]

Or you could just copy and paste "7.1", right, and provide a link that works.

Now off you fvck with your "Google" troll boy.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Awwww Kev if I just posted it, you'd still find a reason to argue

 

[Kev45]

And for anyone genuinely interested in this topic (which isn't troll boy).

"Keir Starmer has today confirmed that the government will proceed with a ban on new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 onward, forcing people to buy electric vehicles despite ongoing concerns about safety and the risk of batteries bursting into flames.

However, he has also confirmed that supercars – like £200,000+ McLarens, Bentleys, Aston Martins and others, which incidentally pollute twice as much or more as an ordinary car – are exempted from the ban, supposedly because fewer of those are sold because of the astronomical price tag."

Starmer confirms 2030 new petrol/diesel vehicle ban – but exempts ultra-wealthy’s polluting ‘supercars’

Got a spare £200k to drop on a motor? Keir Starmer is your mate Keir Starmer has today confirmed that the government will proceed with a ban on new petrol and diesel cars from 2030 onward, forcing …

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[Kev45]

Awwww Kev if I just posted it, you'd still find a reason to argue

Now predictably he does the "needy victim" act after aggressively insulting and racially abusing me all weekend pissed up.

Off you fvck troll boy.