Gay cake saga...

[SamBally]

God almighty.

LOL!

 

[Altair]

Really, @Altair ? Stalking women on an internet forum. Where's your dignity, man???

The cake subject...mmm, no strong feelings on it either way and can see that both sides were a bit pathetic. It's amazing what people will run to a lawyer about!
The bakers- think they were petty having objections to doing the message on the cake. They didn't have to believe in or endorse what it said, and could have asked the customer to refrain from publicly mentioning them on social media pics in order to keep their reputation with their church and community. They claim to not have any issues with homosexuality, but believe that marriage should be between a man and woman <<< I don't buy this and it sounds very much like disguised compliance to avoid backlash from the LGBT+ community.
The customers- they could have gone elsewhere! Simple as that. Why go through all that? Simply to out them as homophobes? Well, they proved their point in the media, but not the courts.

Ultimately, a business has the right to choose it's customers and I expect that there are many companies that practice discrimination regularly- it's just that most people won't complain or don't see it.

Who ME?...Stalking women on an internet forum...Hmm.. You want to see my next trick? (I don't have the time to stalk ANYONE, never mind on-line. ) Sapphire is after getting into my pant's but it's never going to happen.

I can't say I am glad you have decided to keep your profile. Another Woman.... unwilling to go through with what she preaches.

No surprise.

And YOU have the audacity... to ask ME... where MY Dignity is?. Haha...

 

[Altair]

Asking for a Cake with 'Happy birthday Son/Daughter' on it...seems like a distant memory. !

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Who ME?...Stalking women on an internet forum...Hmm.. You want to see my next trick? (I don't have the time to stalk ANYONE, never mind on-line. ) Sapphire is after getting into my pant's but it's never going to happen.

I can't say I am glad you have decided to keep your profile. Another Woman.... unwilling to go through with what she preaches.

No surprise.

And YOU have the audacity... to ask ME... where MY Dignity is?. Haha...

Ooh err...does your magic trick include you waving your big wand about?
Just to warn you- more of a David Copperfield girl than Paul Daniels (no matter what Debbie Magee said!).

My dear Alternative Universe, I thought you already got it- I'm not on this Earth to please mere men. I answer to CATS and they have absolutely no objection to me being here. In fact, they appreciate me sitting on my @rse more.
What in fecks name do I preach and not follow through with? I make no false promises to you nor the cats, I can assure you that!

My dignity is intact- I stalk no one (not these days anyway! Who has the energy?!)

 

[Saphire]

Of course but refusal to bake someone a cake is surely personal choice? Like, as Casiquare said they’re losing business which is hugely stupid of them especially in todays world because word of mouth may have meant a LOT more business for them, so in that respect they shot themselves in the foot.

I feel differently about the b&b thing because as you rightly say, banning certain groups of people from an establishment is blatant discrimination, if you’re running yourself as a b&b that can be booked on multiple different places online you have no right really to say who can and can’t stay. So yes in that respect you’re completely correct.

But someone refusing to bake a cake? Stupid on their part yes, but they have the right to say no don’t they? Like they could say no to a pro abortion cake or a large penis for a hen do.

I think the cake thing and the b&b thing are 2 different things to be honest you can’t compare them unless they’re banned from entering the cake shop to buy stuff just for being LGBT etc

I don't know that the two cases are so different, really.

The cake maker presumably would have had no qualms in making a wedding cake for a heterosexual couple, the B&B owners advertised on their website that only heterosexual married couples could book a double room.

The cake maker doesn't agree with gay marriage, the B&B owners obviously didn't agree with homosexual couples sharing a bed.....though they did add that they would not allow unmarried straight couples to share a bed either.

Both obviously have outdated, unpopular views, but imo, both should have the right to choose who they give their business to.

A nightclub owner can choose who enters their club, a public landlord can choose who to serve drinks to...discrimination happens all around us, it's a fine line to decide who is right and who is wrong sometimes.

 

[Altair]

Ooh err...does your magic trick include you waving your big wand about?
Just to warn you- more of a David Copperfield girl than Paul Daniels (no matter what Debbie Magee said!).

My dear Alternative Universe, I thought you already got it- I'm not on this Earth to please mere men. I answer to CATS and they have absolutely no objection to me being here. In fact, they appreciate me sitting on my @rse more.
What in fecks name do I preach and not follow through with? I make no false promises to you nor the cats, I can assure you that!

My dignity is intact- I stalk no one (not these days anyway! Who has the energy?!)

Yet YOU had the audacity to Question MY Dignity?...Where is yours...? Ask one of the Cats...

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Yet YOU had the audacity to Question MY Dignity?...Where is yours...? Ask one of the Cats...

Entertaining as you are...
Cake. Gay Rights. Rights of shop owners.
Fin.

 

[Saphire]

Ooh err...does your magic trick include you waving your big wand about?
Just to warn you- more of a David Copperfield girl than Paul Daniels (no matter what Debbie Magee said!).

My dear Alternative Universe, I thought you already got it- I'm not on this Earth to please mere men. I answer to CATS and they have absolutely no objection to me being here. In fact, they appreciate me sitting on my @rse more.
What in fecks name do I preach and not follow through with? I make no false promises to you nor the cats, I can assure you that!

My dignity is intact- I stalk no one (not these days anyway! Who has the energy?!)

The man talks rubbish, he is also a bare faced liar.
Some men take rejection very hard, obviously.

I also think he may be in the minority (there are a couple of other inferior little men on this site who may also feel threatened) that a strong, independent thinking woman has chosen to stay...I'm dead happy though.

 

[Altair]

Entertaining as you are...
Cake. Gay Rights. Rights of shop owners.
Fin.

Fin?...Oohherrrr.... So you are MrsD i presume?...I won't be far off..

Gay Rights and Shop owners. Fin..! That made me laugh.

 

[Saphire]

Youre in the wrong line of business if your so called morals come before earning money when it comes to something like a b&b or cake making. If i was a cake maker, if you wanted me to bake you a cake with a massive arse on it being spanked with a rainbow dildo, thats the cake youre getting with a smile and a thank you. And as for the b&b, do what the hell you want in the room providing you arent breaking the law and you arent damaging anything that you arent prepared to pay for. Irrespective of whether you personally think homosexuality is wrong, you need to park that notion in this day and age, you are just opening yourself up figuratively for court cases by not getting with how the world is now, not how you think it should be. I dont feel sorry for either business, its a dog eat dog world.

I admire people who put morals before money.

 

[Altair]

The man talks rubbish, he is also a bare faced liar.
Some men take rejection very hard, obviously.

I also think he may be in the minority (there are a couple of other inferior little men on this site who may also feel threatened) that a strong, independent thinking woman has chosen to stay...I'm dead happy though.

I don't talk Rubbish. I leave that to women like YOU. And you are doing just fine...keep it up.

 

[Altair]

I admire people who put morals before money.

And I admire people who don't hit on me so hard it hurts, and everyone here can see it.

 

[SamBally]

Why should private businesses be able to discriminate specifically on the grounds of someone else's sexuality?

Why are the prehistoric views of a tiny minority, religion-driven, still able to interfere with our right to go about our own business unhindered?

Why stop at homophobia and that's exactly what it is, homophobia.

Before we know it we will be back to the good old days...

What next racism. Islamophobia. Jewish people...

Where does this end exactly?

The private sector does not provide the vital infrastructure it requires to operate, it is in partnership with the state and therefore should adhere to the rules that the state lays out.


If a Muslim business cited exactly the same reasons the hang em high mob would be foaming at the mouth in their haste to condemn it.

The EHRC isn't a joke, it exists for a purpose. That purpose being we ALL have been afforded by law, in a democratic society, exactly the same rights.

 

[Saphire]

Why should private businesses be able to discriminate specifically on the grounds of someone else's sexuality?

Why are the prehistoric views of a tiny minority, religion-driven, still able to interfere with our right to go about our own business unhindered?

Why stop at homophobia and that's exactly what it is, homophobia.

Before we know it we will be back to the good old days...

What next racism. Islamophobia. Jewish people...

Where does this end exactly?

The private sector does not provide the vital infrastructure it requires to operate, it is in partnership with the state and therefore should adhere to the rules that the state lays out.


If a Muslim business cited exactly the same reasons the hang em high mob would be foaming at the mouth in their haste to condemn it.

The EHRC isn't a joke, it exists for a purpose. That purpose being we ALL have been afforded by law, in a democratic society, exactly the same rights.

Personally, I would have no qualms in baking a cake or hiring out a room for anyone of whatever persuasion they happened to be, but then I am not religious at all.
It does seem that Christian values...not to mention teachings, have been cast aside to accommodate everyone but them.

 

[Altair]

Bring back National Service. Put these woke idiot's on the Front line. First Fodder. Instead of letting them run riot with their Wokeness. There has to be some control over these wannabee woke idiot's or our Country is at Serious risk of being taken over. When we go to war, who do you want to protect us? A gun tooting hooligan...Or a Cake makers upset customer?...Fu.cking wake up..!

 

[Saphire]

I imagine the gay couple would have been first to sue if this shop had produced a cake with a homophobic message iced on the top as it would go against their beliefs.
This whole idea that everyone needs to bend over backwards to accommodate every minority group need to stop, it’s ruining this and every civilised country.

And the gay couple would have the support of most right-minded people too, had that been the case.

 

[Altair]

And the gay couple would have the support of most right-minded people too, had that been the case.

Don't tar 'Right Minded people' with your utter crap.

 

[SamBally]

As the son of an Irish father with a staunchly Catholic background, I could spend a week sharing tales of British brutality, discrimination, and prejudice.

Are we to go back to the good old days when some landlords left a sign in their window stating "no blacks, no Irish, and no dogs".

Because none of it means anything important does it.

 

[Altair]

As the son of an Irish father with a staunchly Catholic background, I could spend a week sharing tales of British brutality, discrimination, and prejudice.

Are we to go back to the good old days when some landlords left a sign in their window stating "no blacks, no Irish, and no dogs".

Because none of it means anything important does it.

You don't mean anything. As in YOU. F.uck off.