Anti-Russian hysteria

Bad_Influence

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Youve got a couple of issues with whats going on..................shale gas underneath the 3 states that want to be out of ukraine and not only that, by allowing them to leave cuts off Ukraine from accessing their share of the shale gas from the 3 states aswell as limiting their access underneath the black sea. Youve also got the issue that 99 percent of the people in the 3 states are ethnic russians. Youve also got an issue with western investment in the same energy companies that operate within Ukraine. Youve then got Israel who will quite happily start routing energy via turkey and greece but need to be frriends with Russia because of their influence in Syria. The ukraine access to to the Shale allows them to not heavily rely on Russia and its neighbouring states. What irks me the most about the whole thing is the existing hardships on the ethnic russians, the ukrainian civilians who are being used by the energy companies and the drumming up of unwavering media support for the Ukrainian state while they turned a blind eye to how they treat the ethnic russians and the roma community
Not to mention Rishi’s wife having financial interests in Russia, or the Biden biolabs in Ukraine. But we aren’t allowed to talk about such things.
 

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That's right yes, i think the area of eastern ukraine was once known as the dziem polka (sp.?) or wild fields? That was a wild place of free movement. Ukraine means "borderland" so that says a lot about cultural fluidity in the area.
Russia has its origins from Kievska Rus and Russia has always consider these lands as it's own.
Same as Serbia regarding Kosovo.
And having a mom from a country behind the Iron curtain, I know for sure there are people who still miss USSR, communism and even the Cold war, and studying Russian in school was mandatory!
All ex-Yugoslavian republics speak Serbian and all ex-soviet republics speak Russian.
It was something you cannot avoid .
 
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Russia has its origins from Kievska Rus and Russia has always consider these lands as it's own.
Same as Serbia regarding Kosovo.
And having a mom from a country behind the Iron curtain, I know for sure there are people who still miss USSR, communism and even the Cold war, and studying Russian in school was mandatory!
All ex-Yugoslavian republics speak Serbian and all ex-soviet republics speak Russian.
It was something you cannot avoid .

Kievan Rus and Muscovy were different entities, l don't know the exact relation between them, but Muscovy became what we today call "Russia". There were several Russias, like Kievan Rus, Little Russia, White Russia (apparently Belarus is a misnomer, White Russia was further north originally), Muscovy and now New Russia. Maybe Kievan Rus held the patent for a while :p

There was always a big deal about Muscovy using and then betraying the Ukrainian cossacks. Then many other things happened. Ukraine was traditionally Turkic lands by the way. Way before the Golden Horde that area was the Kipchak steppe plus various other Turkic tribes roamed there. So, it always had a different character to Muscovy. I'm not being political.
 

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Kievan Rus and Muscovy were different entities, l don't know the exact relation between them, but Muscovy became what we today call "Russia". There were several Russias, like Kievan Rus, Little Russia, White Russia (apparently Belarus is a misnomer, White Russia was further north originally), Muscovy and now New Russia. Maybe Kievan Rus held the patent for a while :p

There was always a big deal about Muscovy using and then betraying the Ukrainian cossacks. Then many other things happened. Ukraine was traditionally Turkic lands by the way. Way before the Golden Horde that area was the Kipchak steppe plus various other Turkic tribes roamed there. So, it always had a different character to Muscovy. I'm not being political.
Back in those days, many different tribes had concurred many different lands :)
But the the Muscovy Rus was not on the map until the 12th century, I think, just when Kievan Rus had been concurred by the Mongolians until the 16th century, when it is already part of the Russian Tsardom.

Anyway I'm not that good with medieval Russian History, but there is a lot historical propaganda an nostalgia in that matter.
 
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