A view from Neil Oliver:

[Bad_Influence]

everything you copied and pasted

Be specific. What part of it is trumped up? What don’t you believe?

 

[hell2bwith76]

Be specific. What part of it is trumped up? What don’t you believe?

TBH now Chris. Lockdown is over ,the majority of deaths have already "happened" ; I`m not really bothered what they decide to do now .This Government has shown how bad a Government can be . I wouldn`t trust them to wash my cars !.that`s about it .

 

[Bad_Influence]

TBH now Chris. Lockdown is over ,the majority of deaths have already "happened" ; I`m not really bothered what they decide to do now .This Government has shown how bad a Government can be . I wouldn`t trust them to wash my cars !.that`s about it .

You are not bothered what they do now? So you’re happy to allow them to jab 5 yr olds? You’re happy to let them bring in vax-passports? You’re ok with Rishi Sunak proposing replacing cash the digital ‘Britcoin’? The virus is over, but the ramifications will last years.

 

[hell2bwith76]

You are not bothered what they do now? So you’re happy to allow them to jab 5 yr olds? You’re happy to let them bring in vax-passports? You’re ok with Rishi Sunak proposing replacing cash the digital ‘Britcoin’? The virus is over, but the ramifications will last years.

I can`t help that . i don`t have many years and gonna try to not waste them

 

[Bad_Influence]

I can`t help that . i don`t have many years and gonna try to not waste them

But you have children, and grandkids. Surely you care what we pass on to them?

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

smfh at the cruelty of the antivaxxer rhetoric.

 

[Bad_Influence]

smfh at the cruelty of the antivaxxer rhetoric.

So prove me wrong? Don’t just shake your head, show me why you think I’m wrong. I’m prepared to listen even if you’re not.

“Smfh”? I suggest you give it a wobble, there something not right in there.

 

[WickedPerdition]

“Abusive relationships are abhorrent and I do not say what I am about to say lightly. I know for many, the captivity of lockdown has greatly increased the suffering and the risk. But in my opinion - I say, we are in a version of an abusive relationship with our leaders. The trust is gone – and when trust goes it never really comes back.

A vase dropped and smashed might be glued together again but you’d never put water and flowers in it. A lot of us feel like we’re going mad.

Lockdown made us isolated and kept us isolated. I say that this was deliberate and crucial to the strategy of them keeping us right where they wanted us. We couldn’t get together with loved ones to talk all of it through. That’s classic abusive behaviour – that made us feel more alone and intensified the feeling of being dependent on our government.


There was, after all, no one else. Our government told us one thing one day – promised it was the absolute truth and we could count on it one hundred percent. And then the next day the story was changed and when any of us queried it we were shouted down for being mad, conspiracy theorists.

Professor Chris Whitty once told us this disease posed a threat almost exclusively to the very old, and the very ill. From what I can make out, that is still the case. Masks were not needed, they said, way back in March 2020, since they "reduced the risk almost not at all."

There would never be vaccine passports, they said, because those were divisive and an affront to every notion of liberty. The young – the very young especially – had more to fear from missing school than from Covid, they said.

Now masks are apparently what all compassionate people wear. Vaccine passports seemingly the only way to go on holiday or get to a gig, or to a place of worship. And double jabs for vulnerable children and babies loom larger and larger.

It has been like trying to put together a jigsaw, but one from which too many pieces are missing and the picture on the box changes every day. When we look confused and want to ask a question now, we get that look, that look that means we should quieten down, right now. Everything bad was our fault.

Every time something bad happened it was our government that felt let down, hurt most. Always it was because we had broken the rules. We could not be trusted to know what was best. That was the government’s job.

We are too stupid, apparently. We should leave it up to them. What do we mean we want to go to work outside the house – earn our own money? Don’t we know how that makes our government feel? Our government is working so hard.

And yet even now there are millions of us who still haven’t got the message. Let’s take this idea of mine, about an abusive relationship a little further: Those like us – born and raised here in the West – have known generations of peace.

We look back at our parents and grandparents, as it were, and see good, strong marriages, between people and state. We have assumed that our relationships would be the same as those. Because we were born to trust. We are what sociologists call a “High Trust Society” – and among the first in the world.

That elevated level of trust might work if you’re in a good relationship with a trustworthy partner. If you’re with someone who betrays all of that trust, then you’re especially vulnerable to the old tricks. We were born to trust – to assume our government would always have our best interests at heart. For me, this past year has been made hardest of all by the steady realisation, day by day and week by week, that our trust has been misplaced, and then abused.

I receive a lot of letters. It’s been going on for many months and I have kept every one. Hundreds and hundreds of letters and cards. The game, for a game it has been to some extent, is to avoid using anything like a formal address. And so, onto the envelopes the senders put doodles of me, or descriptions like “The long-haired guy who walks around the coast,” or, “Him off the telly” or even just, “You know who, Stirling”.

My postman has done the most excellent job of making sure they reach me. It’s been the best of fun and uplifting to the spirits of my family and me. Every day my kids go to the door to check for the latest arrivals.

Inside many of the envelopes, though – behind the fun – are serious words. More than half of all the letters I’ve received have been moving beyond my powers of description. If there’s been a recurrent theme it runs along the lines of: "I thought I was going mad'; "I thought it was just me,"; "I have had nowhere to turn for help and I’ve felt so alone."

Others tell stories of loss – loss of jobs, of friends, of hope itself – people whose lives have been turned upside down and inside out by this past year and more of upheaval. The letters have come from every corner of the British Isles, and also from thousands of miles away. I’ve had them from Australia and New Zealand, from all over Europe, from Asia. Many have come from the USA and Canada.

Flowing through many of the letters, too many of them indeed, is the sound of confusion and awful, awful sadness and loneliness.There’s so much more I could say but it boils down to this.

We are not alone if we look beyond our own walls and see that there are millions more like us – just as confused and, underneath it all, filled with righteous anger. If you tolerate this your children will be next is from the Spanish Civil War. It was on a poster used by the Republicans in the fight against Fascism.

I say - if you want to survive an abusive relationship, the day comes when all you can do is take the children and walk away from the old life.”

I couldn’t agree more.

Neil Oliver obviously has too much time on his hands.
Another one blatantly promoting themselves to gain public favour because they consider themselves a 'celebrity'!

 

[Bad_Influence]

Neil Oliver obviously has too much time on his hands.
Another one blatantly promoting themselves to gain public favour because they consider themselves a 'celebrity'!

Promoting himself? It’s his job.

 

[hell2bwith76]

But you have children, and grandkids. Surely you care what we pass on to them?

At risk of closing this thread i`ll post a short study of "kids". Simple fact is that we never had a bean of a Legacy when our parents died .Our kids will have a small financial legacy plus a quite valuable house to share !What they do with it is their business but i can see friction as 1 is very much a pro-Bad person whilst other 2 are very much pro realistics..Anyway here`s the short story about todays "kids "?. :-
" how the hell this worked i don`t know ! lol ! I don`t know what i touched etc . Anyway it`s a light hearted but thought provoking sketch and it`s all true rom my memory .

 

[Bad_Influence]

At risk of closing this thread i`ll post a short study of "kids". Simple fact is that we never had a bean of a Legacy when our parents died .Our kids will have a small financial legacy plus a quite valuable house to share !What they do with it is their business but i can see friction as 1 is very much a pro-Bad person whilst other 2 are very much pro realistics..Anyway here`s the short story about todays "kids "?. :-
" View attachment 4060 how the hell this worked i don`t know ! lol ! I don`t know what i touched etc . Anyway it`s a light hearted but thought provoking sketch and it`s all true rom my memory .

Ok. so when you see two are, in you words, pro-realistic, that is because you agree with then right? You, who reads nothing, isn't even willing to see another point of view? Don't take that the wrong way, I take your point I just question you use of "Pro-realistic". Allow me to explain my concerns.... My daughter recently got married, she and her husband have had their first jab (albeit against my wishes). Now... what if the stuff about the vaccine causing irreparable damage is true, and for many is is all too true. How would you feel knowing you warned your daughter but she went ahead anyway, and the jab caused her damage? How would you feel if one of you daughters could not go to university because she refused to put a trial drug in her body, until it was proved to be safe? (Your daughters are beyond that age I'm sure but you take the point I hope. How would you feel if it turns out the one who is being safe.... is the only one who was right to look forward?

This is from the gov't MHRA website.

Table 5: Number of UK suspected thrombo-embolic events with concurrent thrombocytopenia ADR reports received for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca by patient age up to and including 14 July 2021.​

Age range (years)	Number of reports	Number of fatal reports
18-29	28	7
30-39	50	11
40-49	102	11
50-59	97	20
60-69	59	9
70-79	39	7
80-89	6	2
90-99	2	1
Unknown	28	3
Total	411	71

​

Now I agree many today are little shits, who have grown up blame us for everything... but it turns out very many are thinking of their future, not the short term.

 

[hell2bwith76]

Ok. so when you see two are, in you words, pro-realistic, that is because you agree with then right? You, who reads nothing, isn't even willing to see another point of view? Don't take that the wrong way, I take your point I just question you use of "Pro-realistic". Allow me to explain my concerns.... My daughter recently got married, she and her husband have had their first jab (albeit against my wishes). Now... what if the stuff about the vaccine causing irreparable damage is true, and for many is is all too true. How would you feel knowing you warned your daughter but she went ahead anyway, and the jab caused her damage? How would you feel if one of you daughters could not go to university because she refused to put a trial drug in her body, until it was proved to be safe? (Your daughters are beyond that age I'm sure but you take the point I hope. How would you feel if it turns out the one who is being safe.... is the only one who was right to look forward?

This is from the gov't MHRA website.

Table 5: Number of UK suspected thrombo-embolic events with concurrent thrombocytopenia ADR reports received for the COVID-19 Vaccine AstraZeneca by patient age up to and including 14 July 2021.​

Age range (years)	Number of reports	Number of fatal reports
18-29	28	7
30-39	50	11
40-49	102	11
50-59	97	20
60-69	59	9
70-79	39	7
80-89	6	2
90-99	2	1
Unknown	28	3
Total	411	71

​

Now I agree many today are little shits, who have grown up blame us for everything... but it turns out very many are thinking of their future, not the short term.

Actually the "little shits " who ,i think ,the passage refers to were brought up and taught life actions from their parents ,who may just about fit into your age group .
If you and yours are right then we`ll all be suckering down to you in a few years time so you have no worries.
All of the " anti environmental " things mentioned in that sketch are still being perpetuated ,very much by young people whohavn`t got their thinking caps on.
Short example:- very good friend of ours ( an angel in fact over the past 18 months) has a child who is about 13/14 YO. She didn`t want to go to a local school so she is bussed to a religious school about 8 miles away. The return bus has a stop which is about 1/2 to 3/4 mile from her home ok ?. Mum ,who also has to work ,has to turn out to collect her from that last bus stop.1/2 to 3/4 mile ? burning up Fossil fuels .It isn`t a dangerous walk either ,it`s through shopping malls and housing estate paths.

Environment or what ?

p.s. congrats. on your Daughter`s wedding ,i hope they have a long and happy life together.

 

[Bad_Influence]

Until China and the USA sort out their carbon emissions our 1% contribution is pointless. And you'd be surprised to learn that the kids who "who haven`t got their thinking caps on" we taught by adults. Someone told them the nonsense they spout. And it certainly wasn't me. There are are too many do-gooders, and it generally the liberals and Green Party lot who go around hugging tree. Don't get me wrong, pollution of our oceans and countryside is out of control, but kids throwig a tantrum is not going to sort it.

 

[hell2bwith76]

Until China and the USA sort out their carbon emissions our 1% contribution is pointless. And you'd be surprised to learn that the kids who "who haven`t got their thinking caps on" we taught by adults. Someone told them the nonsense they spout. And it certainly wasn't me. There are are too many do-gooders, and it generally the liberals and Green Party lot who go around hugging tree. Don't get me wrong, pollution of our oceans and countryside is out of control, but kids throwig a tantrum is not going to sort it.

I wish my neighbour would sort his bloody Chickens out ! i`ve had to put Rat scarers all over our garden and take down all bar 1 bird feeder. he`s not a "kid" but he behaves even worse !

 

[Bad_Influence]

I wish my neighbour would sort his bloody Chickens out ! i`ve had to put Rat scarers all over our garden and take down all bar 1 bird feeder. he`s not a "kid" but he behaves even worse !

No clue where that fits but ok