A view from Neil Oliver:

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“Abusive relationships are abhorrent and I do not say what I am about to say lightly. I know for many, the captivity of lockdown has greatly increased the suffering and the risk. But in my opinion - I say, we are in a version of an abusive relationship with our leaders. The trust is gone – and when trust goes it never really comes back.

A vase dropped and smashed might be glued together again but you’d never put water and flowers in it. A lot of us feel like we’re going mad.

Lockdown made us isolated and kept us isolated. I say that this was deliberate and crucial to the strategy of them keeping us right where they wanted us. We couldn’t get together with loved ones to talk all of it through. That’s classic abusive behaviour – that made us feel more alone and intensified the feeling of being dependent on our government.


There was, after all, no one else. Our government told us one thing one day – promised it was the absolute truth and we could count on it one hundred percent. And then the next day the story was changed and when any of us queried it we were shouted down for being mad, conspiracy theorists.

Professor Chris Whitty once told us this disease posed a threat almost exclusively to the very old, and the very ill. From what I can make out, that is still the case. Masks were not needed, they said, way back in March 2020, since they "reduced the risk almost not at all."

There would never be vaccine passports, they said, because those were divisive and an affront to every notion of liberty. The young – the very young especially – had more to fear from missing school than from Covid, they said.

Now masks are apparently what all compassionate people wear. Vaccine passports seemingly the only way to go on holiday or get to a gig, or to a place of worship. And double jabs for vulnerable children and babies loom larger and larger.

It has been like trying to put together a jigsaw, but one from which too many pieces are missing and the picture on the box changes every day. When we look confused and want to ask a question now, we get that look, that look that means we should quieten down, right now. Everything bad was our fault.

Every time something bad happened it was our government that felt let down, hurt most. Always it was because we had broken the rules. We could not be trusted to know what was best. That was the government’s job.

We are too stupid, apparently. We should leave it up to them. What do we mean we want to go to work outside the house – earn our own money? Don’t we know how that makes our government feel? Our government is working so hard.

And yet even now there are millions of us who still haven’t got the message. Let’s take this idea of mine, about an abusive relationship a little further: Those like us – born and raised here in the West – have known generations of peace.

We look back at our parents and grandparents, as it were, and see good, strong marriages, between people and state. We have assumed that our relationships would be the same as those. Because we were born to trust. We are what sociologists call a “High Trust Society” – and among the first in the world.

That elevated level of trust might work if you’re in a good relationship with a trustworthy partner. If you’re with someone who betrays all of that trust, then you’re especially vulnerable to the old tricks. We were born to trust – to assume our government would always have our best interests at heart. For me, this past year has been made hardest of all by the steady realisation, day by day and week by week, that our trust has been misplaced, and then abused.

I receive a lot of letters. It’s been going on for many months and I have kept every one. Hundreds and hundreds of letters and cards. The game, for a game it has been to some extent, is to avoid using anything like a formal address. And so, onto the envelopes the senders put doodles of me, or descriptions like “The long-haired guy who walks around the coast,” or, “Him off the telly” or even just, “You know who, Stirling”.

My postman has done the most excellent job of making sure they reach me. It’s been the best of fun and uplifting to the spirits of my family and me. Every day my kids go to the door to check for the latest arrivals.

Inside many of the envelopes, though – behind the fun – are serious words. More than half of all the letters I’ve received have been moving beyond my powers of description. If there’s been a recurrent theme it runs along the lines of: "I thought I was going mad'; "I thought it was just me,"; "I have had nowhere to turn for help and I’ve felt so alone."

Others tell stories of loss – loss of jobs, of friends, of hope itself – people whose lives have been turned upside down and inside out by this past year and more of upheaval. The letters have come from every corner of the British Isles, and also from thousands of miles away. I’ve had them from Australia and New Zealand, from all over Europe, from Asia. Many have come from the USA and Canada.

Flowing through many of the letters, too many of them indeed, is the sound of confusion and awful, awful sadness and loneliness.There’s so much more I could say but it boils down to this.

We are not alone if we look beyond our own walls and see that there are millions more like us – just as confused and, underneath it all, filled with righteous anger. If you tolerate this your children will be next is from the Spanish Civil War. It was on a poster used by the Republicans in the fight against Fascism.

I say - if you want to survive an abusive relationship, the day comes when all you can do is take the children and walk away from the old life.”

I couldn’t agree more.
 
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ALL IN YOUR OPION NOT OTHERS PLUS I WAS BORED AFTER THE FIRST COUPLE OF LINES
Not my opinion. Neil Oliver’s. But yes I agree with every word he says.

You got bored??? That’s why you will never change Words, not even prepared to listen to a view that differs from you own. That’s sad.
 

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Not really, it’s not a relationship and I didn’t vote for them/him. Johnson is a twat, stumbling about without a plan. Are 100s of people seriously writing to Mr Oliver about this!
 
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Not really, it’s not a relationship and I didn’t vote for them/him. Johnson is a twat, stumbling about without a plan. Are 100s of people seriously writing to Mr Oliver about this!
I did vote for him, never again.

And I believe he does get those letters, he’s shown many of them on GBNews because they do really address them to “The Coast Guy, Stirling” and suchlike.
 

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“Abusive relationships are abhorrent and I do not say what I am about to say lightly. I know for many, the captivity of lockdown has greatly increased the suffering and the risk. But in my opinion - I say, we are in a version of an abusive relationship with our leaders. The trust is gone – and when trust goes it never really comes back.

A vase dropped and smashed might be glued together again but you’d never put water and flowers in it. A lot of us feel like we’re going mad.

Lockdown made us isolated and kept us isolated. I say that this was deliberate and crucial to the strategy of them keeping us right where they wanted us. We couldn’t get together with loved ones to talk all of it through. That’s classic abusive behaviour – that made us feel more alone and intensified the feeling of being dependent on our government.


There was, after all, no one else. Our government told us one thing one day – promised it was the absolute truth and we could count on it one hundred percent. And then the next day the story was changed and when any of us queried it we were shouted down for being mad, conspiracy theorists.

Professor Chris Whitty once told us this disease posed a threat almost exclusively to the very old, and the very ill. From what I can make out, that is still the case. Masks were not needed, they said, way back in March 2020, since they "reduced the risk almost not at all."

There would never be vaccine passports, they said, because those were divisive and an affront to every notion of liberty. The young – the very young especially – had more to fear from missing school than from Covid, they said.

Now masks are apparently what all compassionate people wear. Vaccine passports seemingly the only way to go on holiday or get to a gig, or to a place of worship. And double jabs for vulnerable children and babies loom larger and larger.

It has been like trying to put together a jigsaw, but one from which too many pieces are missing and the picture on the box changes every day. When we look confused and want to ask a question now, we get that look, that look that means we should quieten down, right now. Everything bad was our fault.

Every time something bad happened it was our government that felt let down, hurt most. Always it was because we had broken the rules. We could not be trusted to know what was best. That was the government’s job.

We are too stupid, apparently. We should leave it up to them. What do we mean we want to go to work outside the house – earn our own money? Don’t we know how that makes our government feel? Our government is working so hard.

And yet even now there are millions of us who still haven’t got the message. Let’s take this idea of mine, about an abusive relationship a little further: Those like us – born and raised here in the West – have known generations of peace.

We look back at our parents and grandparents, as it were, and see good, strong marriages, between people and state. We have assumed that our relationships would be the same as those. Because we were born to trust. We are what sociologists call a “High Trust Society” – and among the first in the world.

That elevated level of trust might work if you’re in a good relationship with a trustworthy partner. If you’re with someone who betrays all of that trust, then you’re especially vulnerable to the old tricks. We were born to trust – to assume our government would always have our best interests at heart. For me, this past year has been made hardest of all by the steady realisation, day by day and week by week, that our trust has been misplaced, and then abused.

I receive a lot of letters. It’s been going on for many months and I have kept every one. Hundreds and hundreds of letters and cards. The game, for a game it has been to some extent, is to avoid using anything like a formal address. And so, onto the envelopes the senders put doodles of me, or descriptions like “The long-haired guy who walks around the coast,” or, “Him off the telly” or even just, “You know who, Stirling”.

My postman has done the most excellent job of making sure they reach me. It’s been the best of fun and uplifting to the spirits of my family and me. Every day my kids go to the door to check for the latest arrivals.

Inside many of the envelopes, though – behind the fun – are serious words. More than half of all the letters I’ve received have been moving beyond my powers of description. If there’s been a recurrent theme it runs along the lines of: "I thought I was going mad'; "I thought it was just me,"; "I have had nowhere to turn for help and I’ve felt so alone."

Others tell stories of loss – loss of jobs, of friends, of hope itself – people whose lives have been turned upside down and inside out by this past year and more of upheaval. The letters have come from every corner of the British Isles, and also from thousands of miles away. I’ve had them from Australia and New Zealand, from all over Europe, from Asia. Many have come from the USA and Canada.

Flowing through many of the letters, too many of them indeed, is the sound of confusion and awful, awful sadness and loneliness.There’s so much more I could say but it boils down to this.

We are not alone if we look beyond our own walls and see that there are millions more like us – just as confused and, underneath it all, filled with righteous anger. If you tolerate this your children will be next is from the Spanish Civil War. It was on a poster used by the Republicans in the fight against Fascism.

I say - if you want to survive an abusive relationship, the day comes when all you can do is take the children and walk away from the old life.”

I couldn’t agree more.

Rubbish ! lets just take one line ( the 1st i think !) . We couldn`t get together with Loved ones to talk it all over ". My own kids were talking to us almost every day ! on the Phone ! that`s what it`s there for . You listen at one end of the phone and reply at the other end ,it`s amazing !. You don`t have to see a person to talk & listen to them now ,not since 1900 i suspect.
The Government made a right hash of things by leaving Lockdown too late to save many tens of lives and have since made several screwups. Now some of the truth is coming out from Cummins Interviews .
It`s been shown time and time again that ordinary ( not Nursing staff!!) workers who carried on kept links to lonely people ...postmen/women ; delivery men/women /. Bin men /women. So many people are worthy of being called Angels over the last 18 months;please give them credit.
 
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Rubbish ! lets just take one line ( the 1st i think !) . We couldn`t get together with Loved ones to talk it all over ". My own kids were talking to us almost every day ! on the Phone ! that`s what it`s there for . You listen at one end of the phone and reply at the other end ,it`s amazing !. You don`t have to see a person to talk & listen to them now ,not since 1900 i suspect.
The Government made a right hash of things by leaving Lockdown too late to save many tens of lives and have since made several screwups. Now some of the truth is coming out from Cummins Interviews .
It`s been shown time and time again that ordinary ( not Nursing staff!!) workers who carried on kept links to lonely people ...postmen/women ; delivery men/women /. Bin men /women. So many people are worthy of being called Angels over the last 18 months;please give them credit.
That’s the one thing you took from the whole thing? Wow.
Ok, let’s go with it. Are you suggesting that grandparents lie about not seeing their grandkids for over a year? Or folk not being allowed to see dying relatives? Or parents not seeing their kids? If you think a phone call is the same thing you are completely soulless.

Oh suddenly you believe Dominic Cummings huh? Funny how you didn’t believe a word he said before he got sacked yet now he’s the bastion of truth? Could that be because now it fits with your narrative?
I get that you are going to disagree with anything I type but look at the bigger picture, you might love lockdown, but it’s caused countless suicides, mass mental health issues, financial hardship for millions. Denial of that fact is impossible.
 

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That’s the one thing you took from the whole thing? Wow.
Ok, let’s go with it. Are you suggesting that grandparents lie about not seeing their grandkids for over a year? Or folk not being allowed to see dying relatives? Or parents not seeing their kids? If you think a phone call is the same thing you are completely soulless.

Oh suddenly you believe Dominic Cummings huh? Funny how you didn’t believe a word he said before he got sacked yet now he’s the bastion of truth? Could that be because now it fits with your narrative?
I get that you are going to disagree with anything I type but look at the bigger picture, you might love lockdown, but it’s caused countless suicides, mass mental health issues, financial hardship for millions. Denial of that fact is impossible.

I understand some of the points made but to compare the death toll of people who committed suicide to those who died with Covid19 is ludicrous.
You know how we get top change our minds about things in this free society ? Well that`s all i have done with Cummins . I was quite happy with Boris to begin with and would openly say that but since some revelations made by Cummins i have changed my mind !
I don`t "LOVE" Lockdown ,don`t be so dramatic . It didn`t make any difference to me that`s all i said .We don`t drink or smoke or genearally socialise anyway and were able to get food from Tesco with no problems .
How many other countries in the world followed the strategy which you promote ? and how many people died in those countries ?
Drink now can`t hang around arguing all night .
 
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I understand some of the points made but to compare the death toll of people who committed suicide to those who died with Covid19 is ludicrous.
You know how we get top change our minds about things in this free society ? Well that`s all i have done with Cummins . I was quite happy with Boris to begin with and would openly say that but since some revelations made by Cummins i have changed my mind !
I don`t "LOVE" Lockdown ,don`t be so dramatic . It didn`t make any difference to me that`s all i said .We don`t drink or smoke or genearally socialise anyway and were able to get food from Tesco with no problems .
How many other countries in the world followed the strategy which you promote ? and how many people died in those countries ?
Drink now can`t hang around arguing all night .
Where did I compare the suicides to covid deaths?? All I said was the lockdown have caused some suicides... that is simply a fact.

You changed your mind, as is your right, but I do find it convenient that you thought he was not trustworthy before he got sacked, suddenly you take every word as gospel.
As I'm sure you remember (or have screenshots), I was not an advocate of lockdowns at first, but as I said months ago, once they went down that path they had to follow it through. Fortunately lockdown is mostly over, and unless a person is still needlessly terrified of going out without a face nappy on, for most we are back to normal. Unless of course you are young enough to want to go to a club.... then you're going to be criminalised unless you have had the jab, but more on that tomorrow.
 

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Where did I compare the suicides to covid deaths?? All I said was the lockdown have caused some suicides... that is simply a fact.

You changed your mind, as is your right, but I do find it convenient that you thought he was not trustworthy before he got sacked, suddenly you take every word as gospel.
As I'm sure you remember (or have screenshots), I was not an advocate of lockdowns at first, but as I said months ago, once they went down that path they had to follow it through. Fortunately lockdown is mostly over, and unless a person is still needlessly terrified of going out without a face nappy on, for most we are back to normal. Unless of course you are young enough to want to go to a club.... then you're going to be criminalised unless you have had the jab, but more on that tomorrow.

It`s not the Covid that is scaring people . It`s seriously sick people such as you ! who imagine that they are Indesructable and that Covid is some harmless flu bug ,like we get every year. Read about Pierce Morgan have you ? He had the 2 jabs and then caught Covid from mixing without thought in the Football stadium with the others ( for the Euro Final). His words ,not mine , "Ive never felt so ill in my whole life ." and you want people to go out into that melee not knowing the risk they may be taking ?
At this moment i`m not fully versed about the Clubs or Theatre rules but i agree that if a crowd can sit in a pub unprotected then why not a club ?.
 
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It`s not the Covid that is scaring people . It`s seriously sick people such as you ! who imagine that they are Indesructable and that Covid is some harmless flu bug ,like we get every year. Read about Pierce Morgan have you ? He had the 2 jabs and then caught Covid from mixing without thought in the Football stadium with the others ( for the Euro Final). His words ,not mine , "Ive never felt so ill in my whole life ." and you want people to go out into that melee not knowing the risk they may be taking ?
At this moment i`m not fully versed about the Clubs or Theatre rules but i agree that if a crowd can sit in a pub unprotected then why not a club ?.
Hells... Covid killed 73 ppl on the 23rd. And idiots like you still think it's a pandemic... WAKE THE **** UP
 

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Hells... Covid killed 73 ppl on the 23rd. And idiots like you still think it's a pandemic... WAKE THE **** UP
How many people comitted suicide down to Covid on 23rd then ? You have all the statistics ;pull on them !
 
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How many people comitted suicide down to Covid on 23rd then ? You have all the statistics ;pull on them !
For heaven sake Hells, you can’t put anything in perspective can you? Or are you deliberately acting stupid?
 

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For heaven sake Hells, you can’t put anything in perspective can you? Or are you deliberately acting stupid?
I think that my perspective is much worthier than yours ... stop trying to scare people into not having a vaccination against ,perhaps, the worst Virus in my lifetime . It`s there ,it`s free and it`s proven to help the vast majority of takers to avoid the worst symptoms of Covid.
 
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I think that my perspective is much worthier than yours ... stop trying to scare people into not having a vaccination against ,perhaps, the worst Virus in my lifetime . It`s there ,it`s free and it`s proven to help the vast majority of takers to avoid the worst symptoms of Covid.
Oh boy. Covid is now 26th on the cause of death list in the Uk. The threat, which was only ever to the over 80’s and those with other medical issues, is over. Most who caught covid didn’t even know, many others felt they had a cold. Yes some got very ill and sadly some died, but the same happens every year with the flu.
Do you really still believe the numbers pedalled out by the gov’t?
A83A22F9-E081-417A-A5C9-CF668044BD7F.jpegA83A22F9-E081-417A-A5C9-CF668044BD7F.jpegThat is why they tells you the figures ‘with covid’ rather than ‘of covid’, it spread fear to make you do as they told you.

The pandemic is over, it’s time for the country to stop cowering behind their collective sofas.
 

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Is Jamie oliver his brother ?
because the other oliver seems to cook the books
 

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Well all i read is trumped up rubbish on this thread
 
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