NHS workers will have to be fully vaccinated by April 1st.

[hell2bwith76]

Is it...poor you.

I don`t mind .It`s all part of the game

 

[Saphire]

I don`t mind .It`s all part of the game

Unless it influences other people who may be easily led and not well informed, then it can have more serious implications.

 

[Altair]

Unless it influences other people who may be easily led and not well informed, then it can have more serious implications.

First time i've read 'Influence' on here .....without it being attached to Bad..!

 

[Saphire]

You do realise that posting links is against the rules here dont you?

 

[Brass]

Readers, notice how when the facts point to medical fraud on the part of the authorities, a poster would like to detract from those facts by referring to the issue of links. No doubt he doesn't like what it points to and would like it to disappear because it's not in alignment with his beliefs.

If I had merely quoted all of those experts, he would have asked for proof, which can come only from . . . you guessed it, a link!

 

[Saphire]

We can all post millions of links that would directly contradict the ones you give....but as it's not allowed here, google is your friend.

Well not YOUR friend, you are already brainwashed with a closed mind....beyond hope.

 

[Brass]

No, you can't. But if you think you can, go ahead and do just that. Post something that contradicts tony, the WHO, the FDA, and the CDC when it comes to what they've said about the PCR-test being useless. I'm serious. Post it.

You really believe that I made up those quotes, don't you?

Hey, have you heard what did the CDC say about natural immunity?

 

[SamBally]

This person reminds me of someone else.

LOL!

It's not even the spam links, all of which have been posted previously and either debunked or countered. It's an endless (pointless) debate because Covid denying conspiracy theorists will not budge an inch.

This Covid 'lecture' was introduced starting with a basic conspiracy theory.

How idiotic do you have to be to spam links that contradict the premise of your own argument and then keep bashing away merrily in the ridiculous notion you can eventually hammer other people into submission.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

This person reminds me of someone else.

LOL!

It's not even the spam links, all of which have been posted previously and either debunked or countered. It's an endless (pointless) debate because Covid denying conspiracy theorists will not budge an inch.

This Covid 'lecture' was introduced starting with a basic conspiracy theory.

How idiotic do you have to be to spam links that contradict the premise of your own argument and then keep bashing away merrily in the ridiculous notion you can eventually hammer other people into submission.

I laugh at the way 'tony' is banned about as a passive aggressive insult. Calling the world expert in immunology, and a man who has spent more than 50 years of his life saving the lives of millions of others 'tony', shows how important it is for for the conspiracy theorist to believe he is belittling Dr Fauci by using that name.

It is highly entertaining, and shows how much Anthony Fauci gets under the skin of the Dunning Kruger student..

'tony', indeed. LOL!

 

[Brass]

This person reminds me of someone else.

LOL!

It's not even the spam links, all of which have been posted previously and either debunked or countered.

Saying that the quotes from tony, the CDC, the WHO, and the FDA have been debunked or countered makes no sense at all. You can't debunk a quote and what it means . . . unless you have something to show that they've all had second thoughts and came to the opposite conclusion--that the PCR-test was indeed a useful and meaningful test after all. But you don't have that because they never recanted.

That's why I'd like to know where you "learned" of this alleged debunking. It had to have been from a site that posts lies. Show us you're not uninformed and tell me where you learned that they either didn't say what they obviously did, or where they recanted.

So . . . got anything?

And how about that natural immunity? Good news, eh!

 

[Brass]

I laugh at the way 'tony' is banned about as a passive aggressive insult. Calling the world expert in immunology, and a man who has spent more than 50 years of his life saving the lives of millions of others 'tony', shows how important it is for for the conspiracy theorist to believe he is belittling Dr Fauci by using that name.

It is highly entertaining, and shows how much Anthony Fauci gets under the skin of the Dunning Kruger student..

'tony', indeed. LOL!

Well let's see. When this whole thing began, tony decided to downplay the effectiveness of wearing a face-diaper. Later, when questioned about that, he says he did so for the purpose of preserving the mask supply for frontline workers.

Do I have that right so far?

Anyone?

 

[Brass]

Good news for you! Several more nonproductive posts on your part and all of those factual quotes that point to medical fraud will be buried.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

 

[Brass]

I'm sorry about the links.

This is completely link-free.


Covid-19 Quotations: Questioning PCR Reliability

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention.

“PCR-based testing produces enough false positive results to make positive results highly unreliable over a broad range of real-world scenarios.” — Andrew N. Cohen, Ph.D.1*, Bruce Kessel, M.D.2, Michael G. Milgroom, Ph.D.

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention

“…all or a substantial part of these positives could be due to what’s called false positives tests.” — Michael Yeadon: former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer

“…false positive results will occur regularly, despite high specificity, causing unnecessary community isolation and contact tracing, and nosocomial infection if inpatients with false positive tests are cohorted with infectious patients.” — The European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases

“…you can find almost anything in anybody…it doesn’t tell you that you’re sick and it doesn’t tell you the thing you ended up with really was going to hurt you…” — Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD (Nobel Peace Prize Winner inventor of the PCR test)

“I’m skeptical that a PCR test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine.” — Dr. David Rasnick, biochemist and protease developer

“…up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.” — The New York Times

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial
college.

“PCR does not distinguish between infectious virus and non-infectious nucleic acid” — Barry Atkinson: National Collection of Pathogenic Viruses (NCPV) Eskild Petersen: infectious disease specialist

“Detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that a person is infectious and able to transmit the virus to another person” — The World Health Organization

“Caution needs to be applied to the results as it often does not detect infectious virus. PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.” — The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste:

“The challenge is the false positive rate is very high, so only seven percent of tests will be successful in identifying those that actually have the the virus. So the truth is, we can’t just rely on that…” — Dominic Raab – First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs

“positive results […] do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite.” — FDA

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

“…no single gold standard assay exists. The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.” — Dr. Elena Surkova; Vladyslav Nikolayevskyy – Public Health Englamd; Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College.

 

[Poco_Loco]

I'm sorry about the links.

This is completely link-free.


Covid-19 Quotations: Questioning PCR Reliability

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention.

“PCR-based testing produces enough false positive results to make positive results highly unreliable over a broad range of real-world scenarios.” — Andrew N. Cohen, Ph.D.1*, Bruce Kessel, M.D.2, Michael G. Milgroom, Ph.D.

“Detection of viral RNA may not indicate the presence of infectious virus or that 2019-nCoV is the causative agent for clinical symptoms. The performance of this test has not been established for monitoring treatment of 2019-nCoV infection. This test cannot rule out diseases caused by other bacterial or viral pathogens.” — The Centers For Disease Control and Prevention

“…all or a substantial part of these positives could be due to what’s called false positives tests.” — Michael Yeadon: former Vice President and Chief Science Officer for Pfizer

“…false positive results will occur regularly, despite high specificity, causing unnecessary community isolation and contact tracing, and nosocomial infection if inpatients with false positive tests are cohorted with infectious patients.” — The European Society of Clinical Microbiology and Infectious Diseases

“…you can find almost anything in anybody…it doesn’t tell you that you’re sick and it doesn’t tell you the thing you ended up with really was going to hurt you…” — Dr. Kary Mullis, PhD (Nobel Peace Prize Winner inventor of the PCR test)

“I’m skeptical that a PCR test is ever true. It’s a great scientific research tool. It’s a horrible tool for clinical medicine.” — Dr. David Rasnick, biochemist and protease developer

“…up to 90 percent of people testing positive carried barely any virus.” — The New York Times

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial
college.

“PCR does not distinguish between infectious virus and non-infectious nucleic acid” — Barry Atkinson: National Collection of Pathogenic Viruses (NCPV) Eskild Petersen: infectious disease specialist

“Detection of viral RNA does not necessarily mean that a person is infectious and able to transmit the virus to another person” — The World Health Organization

“Caution needs to be applied to the results as it often does not detect infectious virus. PCR results may lead to restrictions for large groups of people who do not present an infection risk.” — The Centre for Evidence-Based Medicine

Why COVID-19 Testing Is a Tragic Waste:

“The challenge is the false positive rate is very high, so only seven percent of tests will be successful in identifying those that actually have the the virus. So the truth is, we can’t just rely on that…” — Dominic Raab – First Secretary of State and Secretary of State for Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Affairs

“positive results […] do not rule out bacterial infection or co-infection with other viruses. The agent detected may not be the definite.” — FDA

“A positive RT-qPCR result may not necessarily mean the person is still infectious or that he or she still has any meaningful disease.” — Michael R Tom, Michael J Mina

“…no single gold standard assay exists. The current rate of operational false-positive swab tests in the UK is unknown; preliminary estimates show it could be somewhere between 0·8% and 4·0%.” — Dr. Elena Surkova; Vladyslav Nikolayevskyy – Public Health Englamd; Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College

“…detection of viral RNA by qRT-PCR does not necessarily equate to infectiousness, and viral culture from PCR positive upper respiratory tract samples has been rarely positive beyond nine days of illness.” — Muge Cevik, clinical lecturer1 2, Krutika Kuppalli, assistant professor3, Jason Kindrachuk, assistant professor of virology4, Malik Peiris, professor of virology5Francis Drobniewsk – Professor of Global Health and TB, Imperial College.

Thank you

 

[hell2bwith76]

First time i've read 'Influence' on here .....without it being attached to Bad..!

I bet he`s still around somewhere ! hahahaaa

 

[hell2bwith76]

This person reminds me of someone else.

LOL!

It's not even the spam links, all of which have been posted previously and either debunked or countered. It's an endless (pointless) debate because Covid denying conspiracy theorists will not budge an inch.

This Covid 'lecture' was introduced starting with a basic conspiracy theory.

How idiotic do you have to be to spam links that contradict the premise of your own argument and then keep bashing away merrily in the ridiculous notion you can eventually hammer other people into submission.

Coming from you those words mean nowt ! I`m not an anti Vaxxer or follower of Conspiracy theories but i`m sure not a follower of your efforts to dispell it with the rest of your gang in tow !

 

[PennyDreadful2]

I work in the care industry, and have recently had my booster injection. Not by choice, if it were up to me I would have refused the vaccine. I'm sorry if I sound like a conspiricy theorist, but it is all rather sinister, being made to have a vaccine that I neither wanted nor asked for. I'm exasperated with the whole situation.
Please don't quote statistics at me, I'm not interested. And please don't lay a guilt trip on me, because I am in the care profession and therefore, should have a responsibilty to the residents at the care home. The pressure to be vaccinated, has taken a considerable toll of my wellbeing.

 

[Saphire]

I work in the care industry, and have recently had my booster injection. Not by choice, if it were up to me I would have refused the vaccine. I'm sorry if I sound like a conspiricy theorist, but it is all rather sinister, being made to have a vaccine that I neither wanted nor asked for. I'm exasperated with the whole situation.
Please don't quote statistics at me, I'm not interested. And please don't lay a guilt trip on me, because I am in the care profession and therefore, should have a responsibilty to the residents at the care home. The pressure to be vaccinated, has taken a considerable toll of my wellbeing.

I'm sorry to hear that, no doubt you had reasons that made you feel you didn't want it and it's unfortunate you felt forced into having it.

Mandatory vaccinations are not a new thing for some health workers.
Some NHS workers have had to be vaccinated for Hepatitis B for years, I dont recall any adverse publicity about that.
Personally, I think the press and social media have kicked up a huge fuss about the Covid vaccination.

 

[Moriarty]

I'm sorry to hear that, no doubt you had reasons that made you feel you didn't want it and it's unfortunate you felt forced into having it.

Mandatory vaccinations are not a new thing for some health workers.
Some NHS workers have had to be vaccinated for Hepatitis B for years, I dont recall any adverse publicity about that.
Personally, I think the press and social media have kicked up a huge fuss about the Covid vaccination.

The Hep B vaccine is a known, proven vaccine with very few side effects.

The MRNA delivery system alone in the Covid jab is relatively untested, has no long term safety data and was shown in animal testing to be dangerous and degenerative.
The now known side effects of the Covid jab (blood clotting, myocarditis, etc) were predicted early last year by respected immunologists throughout the world.

Why has any doubting of the jabs effectivness now created a fervour that if you ask questions your "Anti-Vax" its rediculous.

I mean, the current government narrative is :-
I have to have my jabs to protect you who have had the jabs.
The jabs are very effective, so.
You need a booster now.
You can still catch it and spread it to others, but its still a vaccine.
No we dont talk about herd immunity.
No we dont talk about side effects.
No you can't say it's experimental, dont mention that little black triangle on every vial.
We just need to protect the NHS and save lives.
Best way to protect the NHS, make everyone in it getting jabbed, so what if a few thousand staff leave or get sacked.
Same with care workers, support the care system by sacking those who dont comply.
No we dont talk about excess deaths being well above average (according to ONS figures)
We dont talk about 2-3 times more people per 100000 dying are fully vaccinated compared to unvaxed (again ONS figures)

Maybe it's me, but something doesnt add up.

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