Yellow Vest Movement, why it's so popular? and why it will keep growing!

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  1. leo_Invictus

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    - Fed up of mainstream politicians doing what the bankers and corporations want and not the people
    - Transcends the right/left paradigms of mainstream politics
    - The lying establishment and mainstream media are disliked intensely
    - Fed up of the increasing lower standards of living and constant tax increases
    - Populist and anti globalist

    Many angry people see peaceful revolution impossible which will make violent revolution inevitable

    It goes much deeper than gas taxes they want the end of social democracy and globalism

    A system which only benefits rich bankers and corporations
     
  2. We had the 'White Helmets' in the middle east now we've got the 'Yellow Vests' in France..are we quite sure this isn't just a fashion statement?
     
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    I thought yellow vests were so you could be seen clearly?
     
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    thanks for that contribution
     
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    who be? lol
     
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    I would like to see more social democracy and globalism myself. I love the old French films where people could just get on a bus without paying, and I love the fact that we can check into A&E with a sprained ankle or whatever, and not even have to show any ID to get it fixed. If we didn't have billionaires hiding their money in Monaco and the Cayman Islands, we'd have a well-funded police force and councils, and we wouldn't have to worry about crime and homelessness and town centres being crap. And if Abdul or Stefan or Parvati want to come over and find work, good luck to them.

    Fuel prices in France are higher even than over here at the moment, which is an unbelievable situation - I still remember when truckers would take the ferry to Calais to fill up and save money. When prices over here first started going towards a pound a litre, there was a massive fuel protest and truckers nearly brought the country to a standstill. The French situation appears to be what might have happened here had our government not backed down at the time, given the ever growing frustration at taxes being raised for ordinary workers and lowered for high turnover businesses and millionaires. Governments, both left and right, seem to fail to understand the impact of fuel taxes on people whose livelihoods depend on it, and how it affects the poor much more than it does the wealthy. A proper functioning social democracy is there to shield people from price spikes in vital resources, not exacerbate the problems.
     
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    Where do you want me to start with the contradictions and confusion with your statements ?
     
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    There's no confusion. The only confusion is where the right claims it will free us from rich bankers and corporations. Of course, the right is rich bankers and corporations. The only times social democracy fails is when it's sabotaged by conservatives and capitalists such as Blair and Macron.

    It is important to remember most of all that the yellow vest movement, in primarily calling for increased taxes for the wealthy, is more a left wing movement than a right wing movement.
     
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    Well, Emperor Macron has escalated what could have been a peaceful resolve, yet was too stubborn to resolve the matter. It was originally about the price of gay rising, which meant working men and women couldn't afford to work. Economically, it was a right-wing policy.
     
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    You need to look deeper because the mainstream right and left are both heavily influenced by banks and big business they completely control the political discourse on both sides of spectrum. Conservativism is essentially just neo liberal ,globalist ,zionist ,open borders , promotes homosexuality and transgenderism and gives tax breaks for the very wealthy and support for the very poor and new arrivals meaning everyone inbetween gets fucked it's pretty much the same as the neo liberal left at this point or what would be considered social democrats there is no right wing in western europe not in mainstream politics anyway.
     
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    That was what the mainstream media portrayed it as 'gas prices' and heavy taxes ect but it was just the straw that broke the camels back.
     
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    Hmm, at the moment I'd say there's a clear distinction between left and right in British politics anyway. Sometimes one of the two mainstream parties moves to the centre, but since Corbyn-mania, there's no chance of the banks getting much of a look in if Labour got in, say.

    The major threat to our culture is the Americanised obsession over eliminating 'big government', which should stay well and truly over that side of the pond. The NHS for example is now reliant on chains of privatised leech companies for everything from drugs to cleaning, and quite often there's further sub-contractors and sub-sub-contractors spiraling off from there. I'd much rather the cleaners were employed by the NHS so they have the same benefits and pension as the administrators and nurses, and then, that their suppliers are nationised as well, so we make our own cleaning products, wet-floor signs and so on. In this way, no part of the chain is parasiting off the government - it all works as a smoothly running team that is held to the same ethical standards and is not pre-occupied with profits over safety. The Grenfell fire, for example, is an example of what happens when private entities and sub-sub-contractors cut corners to try and make themselves a bigger profit out of the government's hard-earned budget.

    While it's great that there are some Conservative movements towards accepting LGBT rights and racism, this does not make it any less right wing, when you consider their murderous social policies against the disabled and those out of work. People voting for this like it's a good thing these 'work-shy losers' don't get their taxes don't realise they are one back strain or stair-stumble away from being in the same place at the mercy of a disability assessment, most of which are performed fraudulently by private companies to meet targets and perform a gradual genocide of disabled people. I see it as our national duty long term to ensure this system is thrown out, and that its implementors are eventually prosecuted and imprisoned for their crimes.

    The mainstream media, on the whole, has a vested interest in keeping tax-breaks for the super wealthy, and muting public dissent against it, or mutating it into something that comes around to supporting right-wing views. This is why immigrants get blamed for rising crime when an underfunding of the police force is at fault, and it's why those on benefits are blamed for high taxes on the middle class when the millionaires are hiding their funds away from the Inland Revenue.

    There are a lot of people who've been tricked into thinking about our country's problems in the wrong way, and it just takes a few small instances and facts to turn them the other way in a moment. I only hope when they do so, that it does not result in some violent revolution.
     
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    You make some good points but I disagree with your analogy about conservatism they are essentially progressives at this point if they are ''anti racists'' and pro transgenderism , homosexuality and open borders they shouldn'tbe called conservatives or right wing. Conservatism should always be protecting traditionalism and societal norms to a certain extent not embracing the support of liberalism and the social engineering of liberalism.

    I like Corbyn's anti capitalist, anti media and anti banking stance shame he is a bit of a Stallinist though he essentially a marxist socialist trying to push the boundaries of the mainstream left into a more communistic approach.

    I disagree with your opinion about race and crime when it has nothing to do with police numbers the criminality broken down into race can clearly be shown that immigrants and non whites commit much more crime disproportionality than whites. This trend transcends everywhere in the western world from murder rates in the u.s to street crime in europe and yes crime statistics are very racist just as the truth is

    I agree with alot of your views on the economic side of things though just completely disagree with how you view 'conservatism' the main stream 'right' (as I don't think there is one) which is why people are angry and have no populist party that supports them.
     
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    Statistics on crime and race can be found by Googling 'Race and the Criminal Justice System' The first result leads to pdfs and spreadsheets, with a detailed analysis on different crimes and the race of the reported miscreant.

    While Black people and Asian people are slightly over-represented (Black people accounting for 10% of convictions and Asian people for 6%), but considering most people in these groups are very much in the working class demographic, and have a higher proportion of younger than older people than the White population, I see little cause for alarm. Indeed there is a stark difference in criminality between Black people here and in America. Black people here have become much more lawful in recent decades in the UK, due to more open-minded policing, and their successful assimilation into British culture. This I think is very much a reflection on how they are treated by the governments in their respective countries, and how American police allow Black neighbourhoods to become lawless simply by not policing them at all, thereby manufacturing lawless people. White people living in American 'trailer parks' have the same issues, becoming lawless simply through a lack of meaningful law and order in their neighbourhoods. In summary, racial groups respond to how they are policed and governed, and crime statistics after accounting for age and income levels are probably pretty equal all round.

    Corbyn is I think, on the whole, a good egg, but his well-meaning intentions often don't stand up well to scrutiny. He is right, for example, to point out our hypocrisy in being allied with Saudi Arabia, whose human rights record is appalling, while we demonise Iran. However, in so doing he exposes himself to going too far the other way, praising Iran's relgious tolerance where it does not merit such praise. It's as if, by trying to redress what he sees as an imbalance he puts forward his own hypocritical position as an antidote. The same goes for his position on Israel and Hamas, which has exposed him to huge criticism and controversy, which I think is well deserved. Economically, he seems to be a social democrat more than an out-and-out socialist, and has very little in common with Stalin.

    I think in this country at least, it would be untenable for any mainstream political party to continue policies that discriminate against LGBT people. This is maybe more to do with how gay and lesbian people in particular have become a part of our establishment and societal norms over the last 20 years. Quite rightly too. If your argument that committing slightly more crimes disqualifies a group from acceptance (if it did, we as men would be screwed), then low levels of criminality among LGBT people, who are model citizens in many ways, ought to make those on the right think twice about how they go about viewing groups of people in general, and more importantly individual people from such groups. After all, as a male under 40, you have a higher chance of committing crime than your average UK citizen (the levels of criminality among right wing males goes through the roof by the way), and yet I have not accused you of football hooliganism or spousal abuse or any of the other crimes you have a statistically higher chance of committing than a Black woman, say. I think it is on this last point where the foundations of British justice lie, where individuals are judged only on the merits of their own actions and not by those of their relatives, associates, or those who look like them.
     
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    ''Statistics on crime and race can be found by Googling 'Race and the Criminal Justice System' The first result leads to pdfs and spreadsheets, with a detailed analysis on different crimes and the race of the reported miscreant.''

    ''Black people accounting for 10% of convictions and Asian people for 6%'' - This percentage is alot higher when broken down into violent crimes and most U.S cities with high black populations for example have insane numbers of registered police officers and having more police or changing to a softy softy approach does not suddenly mean violent crimes will drop which are the most serious ones of all. This is more a cultural and behavioural issue within certain groups and ethinicities. Even the poorest white areas which are as economically destitute as non white ones in the u.s still have an insanely lower violent crime rates compared to a poor hispanic or afro american area for example this trend also is similar in other western nations like knife crime in London.

    Corbyn is just doing what all lefties do is try break away from the power source and try take power themselves he obviously knows he will not be relevant following the zio banking side of the labour party it's why he gets harrasesed so much for so called ''anti semitism'' I can't stand Corbyn but merely pointing out truths about Israel and the ''bankers'' does not mean he hates jews but those that own the media will keep crying ''anti semite'' until he leaves or is removed from the party. It's similar to what stalin done as he tried to seperate himself from the jewish oligrachs in the early 50's


    ''I think in this country at least, it would be untenable for any mainstream political party to continue policies that discriminate against LGBT people. This is maybe more to do with how gay and lesbian people in particular have become a part of our establishment and societal norms over the last 20 years''

    I disagree Hungary has had no liberal media there for around 15 years now and the country has gone back to a natural state of non promotion of homosexuality and even banned teachings of transgenderism and homosexuality in schools it's only the constant intense liberal lgbt propganda that makes people think they have to conform to the mantra. The Major political parties in Britain all support the lgbt stuff because they are heavily financed by banks and big business that are socially engineering it all with those lovely people at the media who also are relentlessly pushing it

    ''After all, as a male under 40, you have a higher chance of committing crime than your average UK citizen (the levels of criminality among right wing males goes through the roof by the way), and yet I have not accused you of football hooliganism or spousal abuse or any of the other crimes you have a statistically higher chance of committing than a Black woman, say. ''

    You don't even know what a right wing male is I don't think you have probably even met one in England most of the men are so cucked visit Hungary Poland or eastern european maybe. Football Hooligans in the UK are not right wing they are generally 'a political people' and chant 'oh tommy tommy' who is funded by the same people who opened the gates
     
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    I agree. He was suffering from low levels of popularity, even early into his Presidential reign. It's been a rapid decline ever since, and i think the French voters now know that this man is far from a centrist. I do believe they were duped.
     
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    Macron is just another Rothschild establishment puppet heavily backed by all media outlets pre election he came out of nowhere.

    It's more a rejection of failed liberal policies going on nearly 70-80 years meshed in with the mass public concouisness at how corrupt social democracy has become. This will eventually spill out all over Europe and many ''dissident groups'' will form as a result due to the ''state'' being forced to use oppressive and violent tactics to try and suppress revolutionary thinking or movements.
     
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    I think it is because of the availability of yellow hi vis vests and smart phones.
    And of course the ultra rich are taking all the money. With capitalism one person will eventually own all the wealth.
    The game of Monopoly is a good example.
     
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    Half of England is owned by just 1% of the population but if it was all shared out equally it's been estimated we'd all get an acre of land each. I'm not quite sure what i'd do with my acre, but you know if that was done, in time the same people would have all the land again, that's just the way it is, depressing isn't it?
     
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