The needs of others

[hell2bwith76]

Oh, hell, I’m sure I would love you in real life and want to listen to stories of the ‘50’s and ‘60’s all day long, but I have to disagree with a fair bit- especially on your ‘Only people who are clever should be going to uni anyway!...’ comment.

Firstly, what is your perception of being ‘clever’? Intelligence is more complicated than grades and individuals learn in different ways- hence, why schools now-a-days are more inclusive in the way they teach. Not every human can demonstrate their abilities through an exam or written assessment, but it doesn’t mean they lack in intelligence or ability.
Why should a university education be discriminative? Are you under the assumption that universities only deliver degrees, masters and doctorates? There is a whole host of further educational courses, such as diplomas and teaching courses- many of which will have practical elements attached, such as workplace training. Universities are educational establishments and should not discriminate on ability, demographics, financial means or learning style- just as schools don’t.

Believe me, many people leave university to become a service worker! In fact, many (especially those from music and media courses) end up in call centres, food & beverage service and as cleaning operatives. After all, they will still have loans to pay off- especially if they are of the lower classes!

I`ll pull you up on one thing .Students do NOT have to pay back student loans until they earn enough to do so and if they`r working in a low paid job they won`t be eh ?. I know this as one of my family has never paid back her student loan and it has now been "cleared" .
It is a major issue when the potential student is deciding whether to go to Uni or get a job !.

 

[Moriarty]

Oh, and my IQ was measured so low it didn't register. I still got off my lazy arse and got a degree in my 30s.


Kiss kiss.

Good for you that you beat the system

 

[hell2bwith76]

Lol. It's really too late to argue with your first paragraph and on examination, I may not be able to. I don't know, because I've been writing up legal meetings all day and I cannot stomach any more 'debate'.

Your last part though- Honestly I don't need to rant on with big words to feel intelligent- I AM intelligent and your slant is an emotional reaction to being told information you thought you knew.

FYI, I am university educated; from a lower-class immigrant family and didn't finish high school, due to an unstable childhood and home life, and mental health problems. I had to re-do my high school education as an adult (as a single-parent of a young child), due to unofficially leaving school at 14 to help financially support my mother, after the death of my step-father. If there were restrictions on a university education, I would not have been able to achieve a top-class degree and represent my university at the British Psychological Awards; become a Researcher, supporting research into education and do the role I am doing now.

Believe me, I've earned my right to feel and demonstrate my intelligence.

I have the same rights to demonstrate my lack of Intelligence ok ? What utter BS you spout in order to try to show that you are "better" then me .
It don`t work with me . I consider nobody better than me and nobody worse than me. People like myself build the things which people like you can only talk about ,hows that ?

 

[hell2bwith76]

Good for you that you beat the system

It was only any "good" if you have since been able to put that degree to good use ? have you ?.

 

[SamBally]

Good for you that you beat the system

I didn't beat the system. No one beats the system. But I and other adult learners who were written off as children, for whatever reason, demonstrate that higher education, with the right support networks in place, is possible.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

I`ll pull you up on one thing .Students do NOT have to pay back student loans until they earn enough to do so and if they`r working in a low paid job they won`t be eh ?. I know this as one of my family has never paid back her student loan and it has now been "cleared" .
It is a major issue when the potential student is deciding whether to go to Uni or get a job !.

Right, lets get this straight! There is a variation between student loan plans, but on the one I'm on and the majority of students around my time, you have to earn approx. £18, 700 PA salary, before the student loan is taken. That's approx. £1,000 above the minimum wage. Would you consider that a sufficient wage, considering you have just borrowed thousands for an education and spent 3- 4 years. listening to someone on around £30K a year drone on? You have also put your earnings on hold or minimised them to be able to attend the course and put just about everything else on hold to be able to meet the deadlines?

Your family member never put her education to good use and earned above the threshold then.

 

[Moriarty]

I didn't beat the system. No one beats the system. But I and other adult learners who were written off as children, for whatever reason, demonstrate that higher education, with the right support networks in place, is possible.

True, I did my degree at 34 and my masters at 36.

However it depends if you can actually use those qualifications after getting them.

No offence intended but did you earn them or was your support enough to ensure you got them?

That's not to decry any achievement you made, but a reflection of society as a whole

 

[CrazyCatLady]

I have the same rights to demonstrate my lack of Intelligence ok ? What utter BS you spout in order to try to show that you are "better" then me .
It don`t work with me . I consider nobody better than me and nobody worse than me. People like myself build the things which people like you can only talk about ,hows that ?

You are now getting personal, so this will be my last comment on this.
I did not make comments towards your intelligence nor did I put across that I am better than you.
I am debating a point made on a forum, which I also have the rights to do.
I will now return your personal comment and suggest you learn how to 'debate' rather than argue, as the latter unfortunately does demonstrate a lack of intelligence.

 

[Moriarty]

Right, lets get this straight! There is a variation between student loan plans, but on the one I'm on and the majority of students around my time, you have to earn approx. £18, 700 PA salary, before the student loan is taken. That's approx. £1,000 above the minimum wage. Would you consider that a sufficient wage, considering you have just borrowed thousands for an education and spent 3- 4 years. listening to someone on around £30K a year drone on? You have also put your earnings on hold or minimised them to be able to attend the course and put just about everything else on hold to be able to meet the deadlines?

Your family member never put her education to good use and earned above the threshold then.

Define future prospects.

I would actually say these days a degree isn't worth the paper its written on unless you want to go into a research field.

As someone who has hired staff in the past, an interview is enough to find out how much aptitude /or attitude a prospective employee has.

I'd rather take someone from a trade school with no "Big Ideas" and train them than someone who knows just enough to make them arrogant.

 

[SamBally]

True, I did my degree at 34 and my masters at 36.

However it depends if you can actually use those qualifications after getting them.

No offence intended but did you earn them or was your support enough to ensure you got them?

That's not to decry any achievement you made, but a reflection of society as a whole

If you assume attending courses to learn how to "type" is getting a leg up then yes I cheated. I certainly cheated the system. If you assume getting private tuition to learn research methods etc is cheating the system then yes I cheated the system.

But I would never in a million years write off 10% of the population like you just have. Even my most basic of education tells me, it is complete bullshit.

 

[hell2bwith76]

"Your family member never put her education to good use and earned above the threshold then."

Wrote Crazy Cat.
No she went and had a family ! how stupid of her and then she home educated them . Again how silly eh ?
Sorry but you know as little as i do about the modern education system .

 

[Bad_Influence]

"Your family member never put her education to good use and earned above the threshold then."

Wrote Crazy Cat.
No she went and had a family ! how stupid of her and then she home educated them . Again how silly eh ?
Sorry but you know as little as i do about the modern education system .

This may be a silly question but is there ANYBODY you don't try to piss off?? Asking for a friend.

 

[hell2bwith76]

This may be a silly question but is there ANYBODY you don't try to piss off?? Asking for a friend.

If they try to act better than me then i`ll piss em off just by proving that i`m no lower than they are ty .Oh btw ,that includes you

 

[Bad_Influence]

If they try to act better than me then i`ll piss em off just by proving that i`m no lower than they are ty .Oh btw ,that includes you

Oh it's not an act.

 

[SamBally]

10% of the population have an IQ of less than 83

But when you have 10% of your population, through no choice of their own, can only be a burden on society, how do you address that.

Education and IQ have a tenuous link recently

Hence we need a more knowledgeable population, which is why Uni is almost mandatory.

I would actually say these days a degree isn't worth the paper its written on

 

[Bad_Influence]

Seems Sam and TwoTiddles use the same pics. I wonder why?

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

 

[CrazyCatLady]

"Your family member never put her education to good use and earned above the threshold then."

Wrote Crazy Cat.
No she went and had a family ! how stupid of her and then she home educated them . Again how silly eh ?
Sorry but you know as little as i do about the modern education system .

Now, I could go on about the flaws of home education (e.g. lack of socialisation, reflections of deficits in parental learning), but hey- each to their own. Not sure I would call breeding a good use of time either, but that's personal opinion.

Also not sure where your evidence is of me knowing little about the modern education system...and actually, that's laughable given my professional experience. But really, I must leave you to your illusions. They seem to be the most comfortable place for you to exist in.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

If they try to act better than me then i`ll piss em off just by proving that i`m no lower than they are ty .Oh btw ,that includes you

And yet that's not what you've done. Instead, you've just proved what an angry person you are and how you can't accept being told that you're wrong. No one was trying to be better or show you up, but you have reacted as such.

 

[hell2bwith76]

Now, I could go on about the flaws of home education (e.g. lack of socialisation, reflections of deficits in parental learning), but hey- each to their own. Not sure I would call breeding a good use of time either, but that's personal opinion.

Also not sure where your evidence is of me knowing little about the modern education system...and actually, that's laughable given my professional experience. But really, I must leave you to your illusions. They seem to be the most comfortable place for you to exist in.

That whole passage smacks of "i`m better than you " ; "my way is better than you or your family" ....if you were not so blinkered you might see this.