Shamima Begum on her way back to the UK?

[Kev45]

Yes, I recall extremely similar excuses made about the innocent child victims of grooming gangs here in the UK. Carefully chosen by predatory men because they were in a vulnerable position in local council care etc, and that it was somehow the child's fault because they were either "promiscuous" and or "mixed up kids".

Because people like you victim blame children, it took years for them to be taken seriously and get any kind of justice.

Brilliant though, we got there in the end, according to you a 15-year-old schoolgirl wasn't actually a victim of grooming, trafficking and sexual exploitation after all.

Although Human Rights Watch, Amnesty Internation and the United Nations, state she was and or very likely to have been.

Based on existing (at the time) international, British and EHRC law.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Instead of this endless bs, why not put the blame where it belongs? Begum's father, Ahmed Ali !!!!

Right now we're all dealing with the mess he created. Instead of being a good Dad and looking after his kids, he **** off. He came to the UK when he was 18, married a much younger woman when he was 32 from Bangladesh that he probably pay for. After she died he just pop back to Bangladesh and got another one.

In a week were 2 people were convicted of staving a child to 3 year old to death, other 3 other convicted of beat an 11 year old to death: you need to explain to me why this is normal in Muslin community !!!

Why is the Muslin community so bad to children?

 

[Kev45]

It would be BS to you, because the men actually responsible for sexually abusing her get a get out of jail free card because you blamed her. Now you are blaming the father, or the mother, or this or that, anything but the evil men who actually groomed her and a state that did not afford her the protection she was entitled to.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Kev... these evil men are they white men do they work at tescos? I'm sure that guy on fish counter knows lot of people in the 3rd world
Face facts Kev, the only people who have the contacts to traffic people from the 3rd world are from the 3rd world.

Its so bad we had to pass a law in the UK to stop people from exporting there kids for sale !!

And don't even start me on Asian grooming gangs !!! How many did we convict now? I've lost count !!

Get it into your tiny head, no one from the UK groomed Shamima Begum, its not part of our culture. It seems to be part of the Muslin one !!

 

[Kev45]

You carry on having another drunken tantrum.

Go back into chat and tell them all about your exciting life (fake) working for the UNHCR (refugee agency) in the Middle East, the "thousand yard stare" you saw on peoples faces and working with the same Muslims you despise with a passion that it is bordering on complete and utter madness.

 

[Kev45]

Get it into your tiny head, no one from the UK groomed Shamima Begum, its not part of our culture. It seems to be part of the Muslin one !!

By god, you are ignorant.



"Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right."

The majority of child sexual abuse gangs are made up of white men under the age of 30, an official paper has said.

The report, which covers England, Scotland and Wales and summarises a range of studies on the issue of group-based child sexual exploitation (CSE), also known as grooming gangs, said there was not enough evidence to conclude that child sexual abuse gangs were disproportionately made up of Asian offenders.

High-profile cases including in Rotherham, Rochdale and Telford have involved groups of men of mainly Pakistani ethnicity, fuelling a perception that it is an “Asian problem”.

As a result “Asian grooming gangs” have become a cause celebre for the far right, with a number of high-profile figures mounting campaigns across the country."

Most child sexual abuse gangs made up of white men, Home Office report says

Study of England, Scotland and Wales dispels myth of ‘Asian grooming gangs’ popularised by far right

www.theguardian.com

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

So you dont know or wont say

 

[LongDistanceRunner]

Hmmm, my comment on this debate has been deleted? Moderator decisions are utterly bizarre here.

 

[Smew]

Get it into your tiny head, no one from the UK groomed Shamima Begum, its not part of our culture. It seems to be part of the Muslin one !!

Can you tell us how many Muslims from the UK supported ISIS as compared with the total number of Muslims in the country?

Well?

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

The government estimated is 900, that number wont include those who offer support such as cash or goods.

In 2017, the UN estimated that more than 40,000 foreign fighters from 110 countries travelled to join Islamic State in Iraq and Syria, and that 5,600 from 33 states had returned home. Many remain in Syria, either in custody or at large. The number of UK citizens who have fought with Islamic State in Iraq and Syria is uncertain – in 2019, the government estimated they numbered 900. An estimated 540 had returned, with 180 to 320 remaining in Syria.

https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9381/#:~:text=In%202017%2C%20the%20UN%20estimated,to%20320%20remaining%20in%20Syria.

Round 4 million Muslims.

According to the 2021 Census, Islam is the second-largest religion in the UK, with just under four million Muslims, or 6.0% of the total population

Islam in the United Kingdom - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

But these are only estimated numbers. 76% of those from Pakistani ethnic group are on a low income and receiving welfare.

Over 10% of those surveyed noted that they lived in social or council housing whilst a further 40% indicated that they were in receipt of some form of benefits. In both groups, over two-thirds of Muslims noted that they have experienced difficulty in affording at least one household bill. British Muslims with Pakistani heritage, who make up the largest ethnic group within the British Muslim population, experienced the most difficulty in their ability to afford their energy bills in the last three months. Notably, according to data collected by the Government, 76% of households from the Pakistani ethnic group were in the two lowest income quintiles (£13,300-£20,500) – this is the highest percentage out of all ethnic groups whilst 10% of Pakistani households were in the 2 highest income quintiles (£35,700-£54,000+) – the lowest percentage out of all ethnic groups.

Muslims and the Cost of Living Crisis - Report

Muslim Census conducted a survey of 1,568 Muslims to uncover the disproportionate reliance on food banks and zakat as a result of the cost of living crisis.

muslimcensus.co.uk

The truth is no one really knows. All you can say is poverty is a breeding ground for crime and this is reflected in our courts.

Muslims make up 17% of the prison population

Young, Muslim and Criminal: poverty, racism and inequality in Bradford

20 years on from the Bradford Riots, LSE’s Mohammed Qasim explores the ongoing impact, racial tensions and inequality for the Pakistani community there.

www.lse.ac.uk

The only comparison I can make is with "troubles" in Northern Ireland.

Between 1969 and 1998, an estimated 25,000–30,000 people were imprisoned for politically-motivated offenses during the Troubles in Northern Ireland. This was a significant portion of the local population

https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/07907184.2022.2074978#d1e113

I know Kev will moan on about islamophobia yet again

Public patience is running out with the Muslims community in the UK and it wont take much for a repeat of the summer riots.

 

[Smew]

The government estimated is 900, that number wont include those who offer support such as cash or goods.

An estimate........

Round 4 million Muslims.

You see? A (gu-)estimated number as compared with millions of Brits who follow either Islam or Islamic cultures.

Most of the young Muslims that I worked with just wanted some street cred, status, a decent motor and a sweet girlfriend. What I would describe as social Muslims.

But these are only estimated numbers. 76% of those from Pakistani ethnic group are on a low income and receiving welfare.

Huh? And where did you dig that up?

The truth is no one really knows. All you can say is poverty is a breeding ground for crime and this is reflected in our courts.

Nobody knows......that's better.
There are many many breeding grounds for crime, and the fact that one of these is poverty just shows us how we need to raise our game on poverty reduction.
One of the most severe initiators of crime is GREED and this group costs us horribly, you know.

The only comparison I can make is with "troubles" in Northern Ireland.

Ah.... now some Catholic factions in NI felt so repressed by the hatred all around that they felt very empathetic towards the people of Gaza, and in 2004 I saw and photographed a street mural in Belfast which showed a Catholic fighter saluting a Hamas fighter, together with their flags.
Although I doubt whether any Catholics in NI would support Hamas after 7/10.

I know Kev will moan on about islamophobia yet again

Public patience is running out with the Muslims community in the UK and it wont take much for a repeat of the summer riots.

Islamophobia is quite unacceptable in our cosmopolitan community. Where I live a Hindu runs the post office, Muslims run convenience stores and our pharmacy and the Sikh community up the road is the largest in Southern England........ And ignorant islamophobes treat and insult them all so badly. And do they ever work!

And our doctors, dentists number a massive % from those cultures!

The Brit public is fed up with racism.....truly.

 

[Kev45]

I know Kev will moan on about islamophobia yet again

Public patience is running out with the Muslims community in the UK and it wont take much for a repeat of the summer riots.

Oooo look important bold black font.

Is this the bit where you try to change the subject again in order to save face today because you have sobered up since last night?

Because you know more about international law than the legal teams from Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International, and the United Nations.

I'd ask you to quote me typing "Islamophobia" a single time on this thread, but that would be like pleading with an arsonist to put down his matches, and simply because you tend to make things up when you are drunk, don't you?



Btw, since you brought the subject up, I am curious, why on earth did the rioters (via social media messages) viciously try and burn down a hotel housing innocent women and children but didn't arrange to meet up privately with any of the large male South Asian Muslim groups congregating in the area?

Including the 'thin blue line' I guess rioting is no fun when your target can actually fight back, right?

Do you believe that there will be a repeat of the summer riots when the rioters are released from their current well-earned breaks at the pleasure of his majesty over the next few years?

That you were also whining about yesterday, claiming all the rioters were sent to prison for "minor offences".

Or do you believe an even more stupid bunch of right-wing knuckle draggers will also believe that they won't be banged up for three years + when they attack other people's hard-earned property and businesses with their stupid faces uncovered and in plain sight for all to see?


One thing we can be sure about though, as sure as night follows day, you won't be out there participating in any rioting at all, will you?

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Let me point something out to you:

Muslims make up 17% of the prison population and we only have 4 million here.

Now I'm going to say there about 60 million non Muslim people here just to make the maths easier for me.

If 17% of 60 million is just over 10 million.

Do we have 10 million people in jail Kev? Do we fck !!

About 1 in 5 Muslims in the UK are in jail. And Kev wonders why people want them out of there community's

 

[Kev45]

Again, totally ignoring all the points I have just raised responding to his earlier comments.

Presented no evidence at all that I typed "Islamophobia" yesterday, despite his accusation, before drunkenly changing the subject again, rambling on about something else instead.

Because he just makes it up as he goes along to provoke a response.

Which I could easily counter, of course, but then I would be here all afternoon and night again and all while he gets drunker and drunker.

And so a total waste of my time, and I will NOT be propping up his drinking habit again today.

Tarraaaaaaaaaaaa

Edited to remove "alcoholism".

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Even Kev cant argue with the numbers, there shocking !!

40% living on welfare, 1 in 5 in jail.

Somethings gone really wrong and its no surprised a system like that produced Miss Begum

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Huh? And where did you dig that up?

I did post a link to the source.

And you seem to feel everyone with a dark skin is Muslim. Let me try and educate you...........

Lets start with the Coptic Christians



Hindus




Sikhs



Now I know they all look the "same" but there the ones working as doctors, dentist and in pharmacy.

 

[Smew]

I did post a link to the source.

And you seem to feel everyone with a dark skin is Muslim. Let me try and educate you...........

Lets start with the Coptic Christians

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Hindus

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Sikhs

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Now I know they all look the "same" but there the ones working as doctors, dentist and in pharmacy.

So you didn't read (or comprehend) my post to you? I know this because you've just repeated much of what I wrote.

You mention that you want to try and educate me...can I ask you what qualifications in delivering teaching you might have?

One thing you have shown me is that you're somewhat prejudiced about Muslims. That's sad.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I did read all you said, you tried to justify and play down this community's actions.
"Social Muslims" is a new phrase for me.

"Racism has to be taught"

People start off with an open mind, over time they develop their own ideas and opinions. All people have been hearing about the Muslim in the UK for the last 30 years is negative. Even after years of government "education" for the wider community opinions are still low.

The General Election in 2024 has resulted in the election of 25 Muslim MPs

Now I bet you cant understand why that worried people here

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[Smew]

I did read all you said, you tried to justify and play down this community's actions.
"Social Muslims" is a new phrase for me.

And you tried to pretend that you have a superior education to a person you don't know.
Your failure to mention any teaching qualifications was noted.

"Racism has to be taught"

People start off with an open mind, over time they develop their own ideas and opinions. All people have been hearing about the Muslim in the UK for the last 30 years is negative. Even after years of government "education" for the wider community opinions are still low.

I don't think that you know about 'open mind'.

The General Election in 2024 has resulted in the election of 25 Muslim MPs

Now I bet you cant understand why that worried people here

So there is a stronger voice for Muslims in Parliament now.

It's ok, Not Fred, you've been quite clear about how you feel about Muslims.... so I'll be able to bear that in mind in any of your posts about them or Islam.