Shamima Begum on her way back to the UK?

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Lord Hermer KC may let Shamima Begum back into the UK. For the last few years she stayed at camp in Syria and may be returned to the UK soon.

If Begum makes it into Turkey like so many others, its only matter of time before she ends up on a small boat in the Channel. Its hard to know if Begum would be spotted mixed in with the thousands who make the crossing each year.

The question is what will Labour do?

On the one hand, Keir Starmer claim's continuity of law takes precedent. It's the reason he's jailed so many after the summer riots for minor offences.

On the other hand, a few of the labour government took part in appeals for Begum return. They will push for her return on humanitarian grounds.

If Begum is allowed back to the UK, its gift to right wing party's. They can say labour is controlled by immigrants, it's clear some of their party donors are first generation immigrant's. Allowing Begum back would put fuel on the fire and make labour unelectable for years to come.

If Stamer leaves Begum in Syria he risks upsetting some of his own party, but Stamer did say right now is the time for doing the hard things.

If Begum makes it over the channel on her own and arrives in the UK, we cant deport her like so many others and I feel Begum knows his.

If they give Begum a new id and hide her off some where......... its only a matter of time before people find out, Begum too well-known. If she ends up in court again in the UK all hell will break lose.

Begum such a controversial figure her return my bring down Keir Starmer labour government. It would mean politicians decide who goes to jail not the courts. The rule of law comes to an end here. I know they would sell it another way but Begum been thru our courts for years and lost each time. Over turning a court ruling to keep your own political party happy is a step too far, even for a die hard labour supporter.

Stamer will have to decide, party or state

 

[A_Son_of_God]

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Lord Hermer KC may let Shamima Begum back into the UK. For the last few years she stayed at camp in Syria and may be returned to the UK soon.

If Begum makes it into Turkey like so many others, its only matter of time before she ends up on a small boat in the Channel. Its hard to know if Begum would be spotted mixed in with the thousands who make the crossing each year.

The question is what will Labour do?

On the one hand, Keir Starmer claim's continuity of law takes precedent. It's the reason he's jailed so many after the summer riots for minor offences.

On the other hand, a few of the labour government took part in appeals for Begum return. They will push for her return on humanitarian grounds.

If Begum is allowed back to the UK, its gift to right wing party's. They can say labour is controlled by immigrants, it's clear some of their party donors are first generation immigrant's. Allowing Begum back would put fuel on the fire and make labour unelectable for years to come.

If Stamer leaves Begum in Syria he risks upsetting some of his own party, but Stamer did say right now is the time for doing the hard things.

If Begum makes it over the channel on her own and arrives in the UK, we cant deport her like so many others and I feel Begum knows his.

If they give Begum a new id and hide her off some where......... its only a matter of time before people find out, Begum too well-known. If she ends up in court again in the UK all hell will break lose.

Begum such a controversial figure her return my bring down Keir Starmer labour government. It would mean politicians decide who goes to jail not the courts. The rule of law comes to an end here. I know they would sell it another way but Begum been thru our courts for years and lost each time. Over turning a court ruling to keep your own political party happy is a step too far, even for a die hard labour supporter.

Stamer will have to decide, party or state

Who is this Jemima Puddleduck? I haven't heard of her before.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Watch:

 

[A_Son_of_God]

Ah. A "lover of peace"...

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Its hard to know what Shamima Begum really did. She ran away from home at 15, willing joined a terrorist group and married a Dutchman. I'm sure that's every parents worse nightmare or it should be.

I do feel for her losing 3 kids and living in a prison camp for years. If Begum returns to Britain, Police will have to protect her 24/7. Its just exchanging one prison for another.

 

[Kev45]

Although she was only 15 years old when she left the UK for Syria to join the Islamic State (ISIS), and despite finding there was “credible suspicion” that she was groomed and trafficked to Syria for sexual exploitation, yesterday the UK justice system upheld the government’s decision to strip Shamima Begum of her citizenship.

Human Rights Watch.

Shamima Begum Ruling a Dark Stain on the UK Justice System

Although she was only 15 years old when she left the UK for Syria to join the Islamic State (ISIS), and despite finding there was “credible suspicion” that she was groomed and trafficked to Syria for sexual exploitation, yesterday the UK justice system upheld the government’s decision to strip...

www.hrw.org

“ISIS have been responsible for appalling crimes in Syria, Iraq and elsewhere, but that doesn’t change that Shamima Begum is British and was groomed and trafficked to Syria."

Amnesty International.

UK: Judgement on Shamima Begum's citizenship is 'disappointing'

Responding to news that Shamima Begum has lost her appeal at the Special Immigration Appeals Tribunal over the stripping of her UK citizenship, Steve Valdez-Symonds, Amnesty International UK’s Refugee and Migrant Rights Director, said: “This is a very disappointing decision. “The Home Secretary...

www.amnesty.org

The Special Rapporteur intervened in the case, she said, because of “the severe and irreparable consequences” of revoking citizenship to the minor when she travelled to Syria. She described the then adolescent as “a child who may have been groomed online, and who had no meaningful capacity to participate in the legal proceedings depriving her of citizenship”.

“There is a credible suspicion that Ms Begum was recruited, transferred and then harboured for the purpose of sexual exploitation,” the experts said. “Human trafficking is an international crime, a form of modern slavery.”

They stressed that under international, European and UK law, any supposed question of “consent or voluntariness, or use of force, deception or coercion is irrelevant, where the victim of trafficking is a child”.

United Nations. UN News.

UN independent expert welcomes UK court decision to allow Shamima Begum to fight for citizenship - Free Chat Rooms https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-rele...-continuing-failures-protection-shamima-begum

 

[Kev45]

A comprehensive two-year analysis reveals GB News accounted for half of UK news channels coverage about Muslims and Islam, much of it with negative portrayals, potentially fuelling community tensions and contributing to civil unrest, researchers warn.

New research produced by the Centre for Media Monitoring (CFMM) shows structural and systematic bias in GB News reporting about British Muslims. The study, conducted over two years, speaks of “excessive” focus on Muslims bordering on an “obsession” that “regularly demonises their beliefs”. Stories about Islam are “overwhelmingly negative” and fail to understand the diverse nature of Muslim communities in the UK. 

Key Findings​

• Over a two-year period, GB news mentioned Muslims OR Islam more than 17,000 times in its output, accounting for almost 50% of total mentions on UK news channels. BBC News and Sky News accounted for 32% and 21% respectively. Specific shows that are particularly obsessed include Headliners and Patrick Christys Tonight.
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• Islamophobia has been referenced on GB News on 1,180 occasions accounting for 60% of all mentions when compared with BBC News and Sky News. Yet, rather than reporting on the very real and everyday cases of anti-Muslim hatred, GB News stories overwhelmingly are geared towards rubbishing the concept of Islamophobia.
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• During the summer riots, GB News accounted for 62% of all clips on UK news channels that associated Muslims with the riots. This was the most of any news channel and three times as many as featured on BBC News or Sky News. GB News repeatedly framed Muslims as perpetrators

GB News: A Snapshot of Anti-Muslim Hate - Centre For Media Monitoring

cfmm.org.uk

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Kev even you must admit Begum has to take some responsibility for her actions. If Begum had stalked and broken into the home of the lovey Harry Styles, Begum would be in court, jailed and deported.

Its not islamophobia

You break the law, go to jail, you will be deported at the end of your sentence if your from overseas.

Begum may have been born in the UK, but her parents weren't. And being born here don't make you British in the eyes of the law. If you have an issue with it, take it up with EU who forced the UK to change the law on this.

 

[Kev45]

Yeah, imagine listening to what legal experts, the cream of the crop, Human Rights Watch, Amnesty International and the United Nations, had to say about it all.

I mean, what they know, right?

15-year-old British girls of white heritage groomed and trafficked and sexually exploited by evil men, quite rightly described as victims and treated as such.

15-year-old British girls of south Asian Muslim heritage groomed and trafficked and sexually exploited by evil men, and described as "they wanted it, and they knew exactly what they were doing".

Figuration 1: the victim w****

In early press coverage, the “jihadi brides” were both victimised and sexualised through the narrative that described their role within ISIS as ‘bear[ing] children for the caliphate’. Here, complex human relationships are reduced to a single, faceless, biological mechanism. They were also sexualised when portrayed as rebellious teenagers lusting after heroic jihadi warriors; ‘attracted to the idea of marrying a foreign fighter, seen as a heroic figure willing to sacrifice himself for a cause’. The girls were produced as whores in two senses – the infantilised brainwashed w**** or the lustful teenage w****. Both narratives are characterised by their age and their status as daughters, because they are either described as coerced from the safety of their parents’ home, or as rebelling from its strictures. In this context, their victimisation relies on either an external Other (a “bad” and foreign Muslim man), or an internal Other (their family), to be held accountable for the girls’ extremist Islamic radicalisation.

What the media circus surrounding Shamima Begum can teach us about gender and nation

by Harriet Farnham As the so-called caliphate defends its last stronghold in the town of Baghuz, Shamima Begum is back in the media spotlight. Four years since she left the UK to join ISIS, the 19 …

blogs.lse.ac.uk

 

[Kev45]

Begum may have been born in the UK, but her parents weren't. And being born here don't make you British in the eyes of the law. If you have an issue with it, take it up with EU who forced the UK to change the law on this.

Post a link to support this claim.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I've been racking my last working brain cell for the last 20 min trying to remember the case.

From what I remember:

A Polish sex worker came to the UK and gave birth.
The baby was then placed up for adoption in the UK
The Polish government then when to the high court in the UK asking for the child to be returned.
They won.

After this the law was changed in the UK to conform to EU law.

Its not just 15 year old girls who are trafficked, baby's are too. The law was designed to end trafficking of all children under the age of 18.

Its got nothing to do with "south asian muslim heritage" and more to do with people in the old Russian eastern block selling baby's.

Since leaving the EU, laws have changed. The main one is "a forced marriage protection order (FMPO)" in 2020. People from a "Muslim heritage" have claim his law was Islamophobic.

Well I don't care about that. Given all the creepy men out there no parent in there right mind would hand a child over to one for a new car.

 

[Kev45]

Never mind "wracking" your brain, post a link to support your claim.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I have a feeling its in this:

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/STUD/2016/556940/IPOL_STU(2016)556940_EN.pdf

But I'm not going to read all that !!!

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I have a feeling this was the base for the law

UNTC

This is the United Nations Treaty Collection homepage. Here you will find related information and links.

treaties.un.org

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

Its annoying I cant find the case.

 

[Kev45]

Because, you made it up, and it doesn't exist.

Bullshit, right?

Continuing my theme, with links.

Figuration 2: the ungrateful monster Muslim

In March 2015, then Mayor of London, Boris Johnson, wrote a piece for The Telegraph describing the British men joining ISIS as ‘sick jihadists’ who had been ‘nursed at the breast of the British state’.[1] He described them as ‘vipers’ turning their backs on a country that had offered them so much. In the same paper, Allison Pearson argued that; ‘Shamima, Amira and Kadiza were lucky enough to be born in such a country, they benefited from its education system when tens of millions of Muslim girls in other parts of the world are barred from school’.[2] The teenagers are depicted as national traitors, ungrateful and undeserving recipients of the state provisions that Britain benevolently bestowed upon them. They are shamed and Othered, not only because they are now associated with terrorism, but because they are Muslim.

What the media circus surrounding Shamima Begum can teach us about gender and nation

by Harriet Farnham As the so-called caliphate defends its last stronghold in the town of Baghuz, Shamima Begum is back in the media spotlight. Four years since she left the UK to join ISIS, the 19 …

blogs.lse.ac.uk

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

This one is from the same period Kev.

Summary​

Consideration within public law proceedings of the making of a request under Article 15, Brussels II Revised, for the relevant authority in Hungary to accept jurisdiction. Guidance provided on the role of Embassies / Central Authorities, international communications and Article 55.

Facts​

During the course of care and placement proceedings the court, of its own motion, considered whether it should request the relevant authority in Hungary to accept jurisdiction pursuant to Article 15 of Council Regulation 2201/2003, namely Brussels II Revised (“BIIR”). The mother supported such a request, whilst the local authority and Guardian opposed it.

The child had been accommodated by the local authority since 12 April 2013 after having been abandoned by the mother, who was Hungarian, for reasons which were unclear. It was not until 10 October 2013 that the local authority issued proceedings. The mother had returned to Hungary by this time.

Held​

He held that the child clearly had a particular connection with Hungary as he was a Hungarian national and because Hungary was the state in which the mother was habitually resident. He held that a number of important features pointed to Hungary being better placed to hear the case [paragraph 77]. The mother and father and all other extended family members lived in Hungary, spoke Hungarian and not English and indeed the parents had always lived in Hungary, save for a short period of months in England. There was a substantial body of historic evidence in Hungary held by public authorities which would be more readily available to, and more easily understood by, the courts in Hungary. Any further assessments of the mother or any other family members (and the judge’s initial view was that a further assessment of the mother was likely to be necessary) would have to take place in Hungary. The Hungarian court was better placed to obtain evidence of, and was better placed to evaluate, the assistance and support which the authorities or others might be able to provide.

Moylan J further concluded that it would be in the child’s best interests for the case to be heard in Hungary. He noted that this question was intimately connected with the second question (above). He also considered that the delay involved in a transfer may not be substantial, since in any event, were the proceedings to continue in England, it would be necessary for further evidence to be obtained in England.

Leicester City Council v S [2014]

Use our Family Law case search tool. You can search by a number of different topics from specific practice areas, public law, to court of protection & citation

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[Kev45]

That isn't evidence to support your claim Shamima Begum wasn't/isn't a British citizen because the EU changed the law.

The Tory regime (illegally according to the links I posted) removed her British citizenship on the grounds that she had dual nationality.

The EU didn't change the law, you just made it up, and as anyone reading this will recognize.

Your argument is that she is "partly responsible" for being a 15-year-old school girl who got groomed, trafficked and sexually exploited by evil men.

But you wouldn't say that about the white victims of grooming gangs, would you?

The state, with a legal duty to protect a minor and who were well aware girls were being trafficked to Syria, and who did nothing to stop it.

Following my theme, think of it like a jigsaw puzzle painting a picture as more is revealed.

Figuration 3: the child bride/ irresponsible mother

The press leaped on the fact that Begum seemed unremorseful about her connection with ISIS, demanding again and again that she apologise on air, as if a candid ‘I’m sorry’ would reverse Sajid Javid’s decision to revoke her British citizenship. It was without irony that the BBC’s Middle East correspondent Quentin Sommerville reprimanded Begum for becoming a poster girl for ISIS (it was, after all, the media that cast Begum in this role). When Begum and her two friends travelled to Syria, her age was a primary news hook (an element that makes the story newsworthy). The reiteration of Begum’s “schoolgirl” status was essential for her victimisation in the hegemonic narratives that emerged in early news responses to her emigration. Now Begum has had three children of her own (all of whom have died) and the press seem unsure of how to handle her. On the one hand, she faces the scorn we often see in the media directed towards young mothers, and when her age is reiterated, she is produced as a teenage bride and mother, a narrative that feeds into broader media hysteria surrounding oppressive Islamic marriage practices. On the other hand, condescending journalists (they’re mostly men) scold her in interviews as if she were a rebellious, yet ultimately harmless, child.

 

[Not_Fred_Honest]

I know your a little thick and wont understand this but I will try.....

Instead of looking at this as "Begum the terrorist", you should look at what happened before she left.

Begum's father, Ahmed Ali, moved to England in 1975 and later returned to his village in Bangladesh in 1990 to marry his first wife, Asma Begum. The couple moved to east London and had four daughters - with Shamima the youngest. Mr Ali later returned to Bangladesh and got married for a second time. He was last reported to be living there.

Begum's mother died of cancer in January 2014.

The only family she's got left in the UK are her sisters.

Miss Begum had no parent living in the UK when she left the UK. Her sisters I believe were too young to look after her at the time. The responsible thing to do was to send her to live with her father in Bangladesh until she reached 18.

When Miss Begum left the UK age 14/15, she may have been in the process of being taken into local authority care. After the death of her mother and with her father gone, it was possible and the kind of thing local authorities do

Instead Miss Begum runs off and signs up to ISIS.

She's not the first mix up kid to run away and get into trouble and wont be the last. In his case both her parents were born in Bangladesh and weren't living in the UK. If Miss Begum got into any kind of trouble before the age of 18, she was always going to be sent to live with her Dad.

There was no one else left. to take care of her.

No matter how you look at this, under our current laws Miss Begum is a Bangladesh national.

 

[Smew]

.............. what will Labour do?

On the one hand, Keir Starmer claim's continuity of law takes precedent. It's the reason he's jailed so many after the summer riots for minor offences.

Can you tell me of any minor-offences that the summer rioters committed which landed them in jail?

If Begum makes it over the channel on her own and arrives in the UK, we cant deport her like so many others and I feel Begum knows his.

Begum could go to the huge risk and cost of joing a rubber dinghy to the UK then I guess she would deserve avretink on her case. No?