Future leader of the Labour party

[LadyOnArooftop]

Who can lead Labour back into power? My initial thinking is...
Wes Streeting

Working class background ✔

State educated ✔

Charismatic ✔

Northern constituency ✘

Gainful employment prior to becoming an MP ✘

 

[SamBally]

Wes Streeting, entryist, professional politician and an all-round gobshite and also yet another right-wing centrist (liberal) will never lead the labour party anytime soon unless centrist members become the majority.

Streeting has made far too many enemies on the left. Made far too many political mistakes.

Was also one of the main architects of the centrist chicken coup against the left and Corbyn's leadership while stoking the flames of the anti-semitism witchunt against Corbyn and would not be a unifying figure in the party because of it.

Streeting is also a pro-EU 2nd referendum peddler and made some rather unsavoury comments about Brexiters during the referendum campaign and the right-wing press would eat him alive.

Without the Brexit vote (northern mill towns) and without the left (Corbyn) Streeting could not win an egg and spoon race.

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

Angela Rayner

Working-class background ✔

State educated ✔

Charismatic ✔

Northern constituency ✔

Gainful employment prior to becoming an MP ✔
5/5!

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

Pond scum writes to Angela Rayner demanding apology after being compared to Tory MP​

Labour’s Deputy Leader has been asked to apologise to fetid pond water after levelling the word ‘scum’ at a Conservative MP.

Deputy Leader and Chair of the Labour Party Angela Rayner was overheard muttering the word ‘scum’ on Wednesday during a speech by Tory MP Chris Clarkson.

Within an hour she had received the following soggy but very angry letter demanding an apology:

Dear Angela,

I am writing regarding an exchange in the Commons Chamber on the afternoon of Wednesday 21st October 2020.

During Chris Clarkson’s ‘contribution’ highlighting the importance of the public health measures being introduced in the North of England, you directed certain comments towards the Member of Parliament for Heywood and Middleton, namely referring to him as ‘scum’.

On behalf of the scum community I must ask you to please retract and apologise for these comments; to compare us to a Tory MP is unimaginably offensive.

Filth on the surface of water everywhere – despite not having been to university – believes that freelancers, the self-employed and people on low incomes should be financially supported by the government when they are forced out of work by restrictions imposed by Westminster.

We also believe that the State should intervene to ensure children living in poverty do not starve to death.

I trust that you will reply to my concerns as a matter of urgency.

Yours sincerely,

Simon Williams, Chair, Association of Pond Scum

P.S. Chris Clarkson is only 37?! Fvck me…

 

[SamBally]

This year's Annual Conference in a few weeks is going to be extremely interesting. The Sir is now being advised by the likes of Peter 'dodgy' Mandelson a former Blair spin doctor (Prince of Darkness). Starmer's speech is make or break for him after plunging in the polls in personal ratings and still behind the tories (after Covid, 11 years of austerity how is that even possible?) and losing Hartlepool. Don't forget, the centrist labour right claimed for four years that "anyone but Corbyn" would be 20% ahead in the polls.

The interesting bit is how the purge of the left-wing being carried out by the Starmer and his unelected acolytes will play out. The likes of Corbyn, Ken Loach, thousands of members and various groups have fallen foul of the new McCarthyite regime implemented by Starmer. Hundreds of CLPs all over the country have been silenced. Groups like Young Labour who are critical of Starmer's regime has been banned from attending Conference etc.

You can have your labour membership revoked merely for liking a tweet from someone in that group 6 years ago. Thousands of loyal members, with decades of volunteering during elections etc, have been purged in this manner and sooner rather than later it is going to come back and bite Starmer in the arse and I am praying conference is where the real left fightback begins.

The election of the pro-EU Sir Starmer is a big big mistake and whilst Angela Rayner would not be my personal choice, after her support for the left purge, she would have been a far better choice than this establishment stooge and has REAL working-class credentials in the real world.

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

Offhand, I can't think of anyone else who would score 5 out of 5 on my electability, Brownie points scale .
Why those 5 attributes? I'm not quite sure, but I think they would help...
If you're going to lead the Labour party you must be from a working-class background, how else could you empathise with the working man? Labour's policy is against grammar/private schools, so you must be state educated. You need charisma, just look how far it's took Boris. Do we want professional politicians who come straight from Uni, parachuted into constituencies having never had a job in the real world? Again, how can they empathise with the working man (or woman!)? A leader from a northern constituency may help lose that "Labour's London metropolitan elite" tag, that occasionally gets churned out.
One final thing I'd like to add is that surely the next leader has to be a woman, it's way overdue.

 

[ladymuck]

You need to expand your knowledge a little. Grammar schools are state -run, not private. I know, I attended one and I'm working class, (my grandfather was a coalman, you don't get much lower than that). My children were raised in poverty on a council estate but two have been to university and got degrees.
So do a bit more research before you dismiss a possible candidate for the next Labour leader.

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

You need to expand your knowledge a little. Grammar schools are state -run, not private. I know, I attended one and I'm working class, (my grandfather was a coalman, you don't get much lower than that). My children were raised in poverty on a council estate but two have been to university and got degrees.
So do a bit more research before you dismiss a possible candidate for the next Labour leader.

Me? google? never! the point I was trying to make (unsuccessfully) was that Labour's policy is against grammar schools. So how can a leader of the Labour party endorse that policy if he, or she (you never know!) went to a grammar school? the accusation would be " do as I say, not do as I do". "One rule for them, another rule for everyone else" etc

 

[SamBally]

Offhand, I can't think of anyone else who would score 5 out of 5 on my electability, Brownie points scale .
Why those 5 attributes? I'm not quite sure, but I think they would help...
If you're going to lead the Labour party you must be from a working-class background, how else could you empathise with the working man? Labour's policy is against grammar/private schools, so you must be state educated. You need charisma, just look how far it's took Boris. Do we want professional politicians who come straight from Uni, parachuted into constituencies having never had a job in the real world? Again, how can they empathise with the working man (or woman!)? A leader from a northern constituency may help lose that "Labour's London metropolitan elite" tag, that occasionally gets churned out.
One final thing I'd like to add is that surely the next leader has to be a woman, it's way overdue.

I don't disagree with the sentiment. I would add local MPs should always be local candidates and not parachuted in PPE grads, SPADs or lawyers, etc. With a background in the labour movement whether it be at work or through Unions, the voluntary sector etc. I also think being an MP should NOT mean a job for life (in safe seats) and changes introduced to ensure this is not the case.

I also agree the Labour Party does NOT currently represent the working class and has not done so for decades. It panders to a predominantly middle-class liberal voting base who statistically are among the MOST likely to vote.

 

[SamBally]

Thatcher and the Conservative party closed far more grammar schools than Labour. When Thatcher was Education Secretary comprehensive numbers went up from 32 % to 62 % and she only turned down 10 % of requests from grammar schools to become comprehensive.

It is a myth labour were solely responsible and arguably the grammar system did not increase social mobility anyway taking into account the advantage the middle class had when it came to the 11+ etc.

 

[Altair]

Keir Starmer. Without a shadow of a doubt.

 

[Wojcik]

Who can lead Labour back into power? My initial thinking is...
Wes Streeting

Working class background ✔

State educated ✔

Charismatic ✔

Northern constituency ✘

Gainful employment prior to becoming an MP ✘

But he's more to the right of the Party, so i doubt he'll gain any traction. If i had a guess of who would replace Starmer right now, i would think Angela Raynar as some kind of transitional Party leader, and then we would likely see Andy Burnham take the reigns, who is a Communist, and could very well become the most extreme far-left leader that Labour could ever have.
But overall, i think Labour are in serious trouble as a whole. And it's as shame, as i don't think much of the Conservatives either. So i feel very apathetic towards any of the political Parties right now.

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

Andy Burnham? no, not at all, no! He's tried a couple of times before to lead the Labour party and failed miserably. He doesn't score the maximum on my electabilty scale, and anyway - he's not an MP!

 

[vulcan]

Andy Burnham? no, not at all, no! He's tried a couple of times before to lead the Labour party and failed miserably. He doesn't score the maximum on my electabilty scale, and anyway - he's not an MP!

Keep Starmer, or if not reinstate the Corbynated chicken .
Honest opinion from a Tory !

 

[vulcan]

Keir Starmer. Without a shadow of a doubt.

Failing that, Diane Abacus or even the Corbynated chicken, again...

 

[SamBally]

Lisa, 'I don't know when to shut up' Nandy, the Shadow Foreign Secretary (and wannabe leader) and who couldn't point out her own constituency Wigan on a map, who has claimed nearly two million in expenses during her brief political career, has stated she will campaign against Corbyn at the next general election if he runs as an Independent after having the Labour Whip removed by the ghastly Sir Keir.

Wigan, where she somehow managed to shrink a majority by over 9,000 in a mere two years (2017-2019).

Anyway, thousands of previously loyal Labour foot soldiers marginaliZed by Sir Keir during his putrid left-wing purge, who do all the hard graft quietly in the background pavement pounding and knocking on doors etc, have now publicly stated they will campaign for Corbyn in Islington North and against Nandy in Wigan.

Now that would be amusing.

Corbyn retaining his seat as an Independent.

Nandy losing her seat in Wigan.

 

[hell2bwith76]

I`m not well into current politics but i rather like that guy who is top man in Manchester.Is his name Andy ,something ?. He seems a pretty knowledgable and working hard guy.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

For me, there is only one choice for the next PM and that is Jeremy Corbyn.

You have all seen what has happened to the UK since he wasn't first past the post.

Don't mess up a second time.

 

[SamBally]

 

[Bad_Influence]

For me, there is only one choice for the next PM and that is Jeremy Corbyn.

You have all seen what has happened to the UK since he wasn't first past the post.

Don't mess up a second time.