Bullying midwife sacked for calling pregnant women 'Whales on a bed' and 'Bloaters'.

[Moriarty]

She was sacked because of her repeated unacceptable behaviour.
Whether she is nice or not (she obviously isn't) wasn't the issue.

Did anyone offer her councilling?

Or do we simply dismiss people we dont think fit the mold of common acceptance these days?

 

[funandflirty]

She was in a position of trust and care, and should do no harm. Commenting on a woman in labour’s appearance and/or weight is outrageous.

 

[Moriarty]

As I said I'm sure the correct disciplinary path were followed or her claim would have won

Really, or was it politically expedient to simply make an example of her.
Otherwise why would this have hit the media?

 

[Miss_Understanding]

Some nurses are bitches. They all get painted as angels but like nuns, there's some right bastards.

They are. Some that have looked after my daughter over the years have been right c u n t s. I hate it when people make you feel bad for sharing a bad experience or opinion of a member of staff who works for the NHS because the NHS is wonderful.
It mostly is but some members of staff are just c u n t s.
Im glad the woman was sacked

 

[CrazyCatLady]

It's not about political correctness, whether or not the midwife was stating the obvious or even if she was being offensive.
She was a frickin midwife- there to deliver babies and make sure Mum was safe and well. She should have kept her mouth shut and got on with what she was being paid for. She was a professional and she should have acted like one. She didn't, so she got sacked for misconduct.

Unfortunately, you give some a uniform and a professional job title and they think they have authority to treat people how they wish. Not everyone who goes into the supposed caring profession want to care- some like the position it puts them in to be able to manipulate and cause harm to vulnerable people.

 

[Saphire]

Did anyone offer her councilling?

Or do we simply dismiss people we dont think fit the mold of common acceptance these days?

Should bullying ever be tolerated in the workplace?

 

[Whiskers]

Should bullying ever be tolerated in the workplace?

No it shouldn't

 

[Saphire]

No it shouldn't

Never, but we all know it happens, and all too often people don't speak out because the bullying is coming from their seniors.
The junior midwives who spoke up have done the rest of the service a favour....good for them.

 

[hell2bwith76]

Should bullying ever be tolerated in the workplace?

Also ,should bullying be so readily tolerated in these Forums or Chatrooms ?

 

[Moriarty]

It's not about political correctness, whether or not the midwife was stating the obvious or even if she was being offensive.
She was a frickin midwife- there to deliver babies and make sure Mum was safe and well. She should have kept her mouth shut and got on with what she was being paid for. She was a professional and she should have acted like one. She didn't, so she got sacked for misconduct.

Unfortunately, you give some a uniform and a professional job title and they think they have authority to treat people how they wish. Not everyone who goes into the supposed caring profession want to care- some like the position it puts them in to be able to manipulate and cause harm to vulnerable people.

Perhaps a charactor assessment when applying for a job.
Psychological profiling maybe.
Check out a prospective employee's social media to determine what type of person they are.
Interview thier friends, thier family to ensure that only people who have a distinct personality type should be employed in a role.

The Chinese Social Credit System has some merit then?

Funny how we have kept the term "midwife", are there no "midhusbands"?

From 2018 we have (highlight by me to show the hypocricy):-

Midwives are now banned from saying these everyday phrases to mothers to avoid sexism

"The British Medical Journal has banned midwives from using several terms that they believe may offend women.

The phrases 'good girl', 'big baby' and 'delivered' have been blacklisted following the advice of three experts, who claim such terms are disrespectful and that getting rid of them will ensure women are 'empowered to make decisions'.

The Journal has offered replacements for each of the phrases. Instead of saying 'good girl', midwives should say 'you're doing really well' to women giving birth, while 'big baby' has to be replaced with 'healthy baby'.

These changes are just the tip of the iceberg, as in total they have suggested replacements for 16 phrases.

Other notable replacements include 'Labour ward' being replaced by 'birthing suite', 'terminate pregnancy' changed to 'compassionate induction' and suggesting patients be referred to by their names at all time, scrapping the word 'she'."

"Weirdly, this last alteration has already been contradicted, with the phrase 'patient refused' changed to 'she declined', in order to 'respect the woman's autonomy as a decision maker'.

The full list of changes can be found below."



The three authors of the piece (Professor Andrew Weeks from the University of Liverpool's Maternal Health Care institute, medical student Natalie Mobbs and National Maternity Voices committee member Catherine Williams) are aware that some people may see these changes as 'political correctness gone mad'. However, they do believe such semantic changes are necessary.

Writing in the BMJ, they said: "Although eyes may roll at the thought of 'political correctness gone mad,' the change is well founded.

“Language matters as a way of respecting women’s views and ensuring that they are empowered to make decisions.

“The use of insensitive language can be indicative of an underlying malaise, which reveals underlying attitudes and prejudices.

“It is essential that we achieve respectful practice, ensuring that women have complete understanding and control of their own care."

“Good communication during the birthing process is critical to good maternity care, but achieving a shift in deeply ingrained language, and the thinking it reflects, is difficult.

“There is a fine line between changing terminology to integrate language which is more respectful, inclusive, and less intimidating for the mother, and substituting vague, verbose language which hinders the original message.”

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists said it will "abide by these principles" in its own guidelines issued to its members.

 

[Moriarty]

It's not about political correctness, whether or not the midwife was stating the obvious or even if she was being offensive.
She was a frickin midwife- there to deliver babies and make sure Mum was safe and well. She should have kept her mouth shut and got on with what she was being paid for. She was a professional and she should have acted like one. She didn't, so she got sacked for misconduct.

Unfortunately, you give some a uniform and a professional job title and they think they have authority to treat people how they wish. Not everyone who goes into the supposed caring profession want to care- some like the position it puts them in to be able to manipulate and cause harm to vulnerable people.

May I also add, your use of the term Mum is inherently transphobic in modern NHS thinking.

Perhaps this document from the Brighton and Sussex University Hospital may help you with that.

Gender Inclusive Language in Perinatal Services

Is it any suprise people can't make head nor tails of what is acceptable in this insane world.

Read that document, then tell me there is no case for this to be politically motivated.

 

[Saphire]

It's not a big deal to address a birthing mother with her real name.
Better than referring to her as 'My woman', or 'she....and a damn site better than calling her a 'bloater' or a 'whale'.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

May I also add, your use of the term Mum is inherently transphobic in modern NHS thinking.

Perhaps this document from the Brighton and Sussex University Hospital may help you with that.

Gender Inclusive Language in Perinatal Services

Is it any suprise people can't make head nor tails of what is acceptable in this insane world.

Read that document, then tell me there is no case for this to be politically motivated.

"May I also add, your use of the term Mum is inherently transphobic in modern NHS thinking."

May I clarify that I don't work for the NHS, so am not obliged to think like them, thus, will use the words mum, mother and woman, if I so please.

I read the document a little while ago; however, while I see the connection with your point about language, how does this fit in with OP's original article? You've brought in the topic of gender-based language, yet the midwife was referring to weight and image of a woman, rather than her defined gender.
I'm not sure that calling a pregnant woman a whale is politically motivated, but more a nasty characteristic of the individual.

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Perhaps a charactor assessment when applying for a job.
Psychological profiling maybe.
Check out a prospective employee's social media to determine what type of person they are.
Interview thier friends, thier family to ensure that only people who have a distinct personality type should be employed in a role.

The Chinese Social Credit System has some merit then?

Funny how we have kept the term "midwife", are there no "midhusbands"?

From 2018 we have (highlight by me to show the hypocricy):-

Midwives are now banned from saying these everyday phrases to mothers to avoid sexism

"The British Medical Journal has banned midwives from using several terms that they believe may offend women.

The phrases 'good girl', 'big baby' and 'delivered' have been blacklisted following the advice of three experts, who claim such terms are disrespectful and that getting rid of them will ensure women are 'empowered to make decisions'.

The Journal has offered replacements for each of the phrases. Instead of saying 'good girl', midwives should say 'you're doing really well' to women giving birth, while 'big baby' has to be replaced with 'healthy baby'.

These changes are just the tip of the iceberg, as in total they have suggested replacements for 16 phrases.

Other notable replacements include 'Labour ward' being replaced by 'birthing suite', 'terminate pregnancy' changed to 'compassionate induction' and suggesting patients be referred to by their names at all time, scrapping the word 'she'."

"Weirdly, this last alteration has already been contradicted, with the phrase 'patient refused' changed to 'she declined', in order to 'respect the woman's autonomy as a decision maker'.

The full list of changes can be found below."

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The three authors of the piece (Professor Andrew Weeks from the University of Liverpool's Maternal Health Care institute, medical student Natalie Mobbs and National Maternity Voices committee member Catherine Williams) are aware that some people may see these changes as 'political correctness gone mad'. However, they do believe such semantic changes are necessary.

Writing in the BMJ, they said: "Although eyes may roll at the thought of 'political correctness gone mad,' the change is well founded.

“Language matters as a way of respecting women’s views and ensuring that they are empowered to make decisions.

“The use of insensitive language can be indicative of an underlying malaise, which reveals underlying attitudes and prejudices.

“It is essential that we achieve respectful practice, ensuring that women have complete understanding and control of their own care."

“Good communication during the birthing process is critical to good maternity care, but achieving a shift in deeply ingrained language, and the thinking it reflects, is difficult.

“There is a fine line between changing terminology to integrate language which is more respectful, inclusive, and less intimidating for the mother, and substituting vague, verbose language which hinders the original message.”

The Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists said it will "abide by these principles" in its own guidelines issued to its members.

WTF? Funny how you've honed in on my posts and no one else's!
Part of the reason I don't bother replying any more. Have an opinion around here and you get fucking War and Peace on crack as a reply.
And in true Moriarty style, it has to come back to....men and how anything aimed at women is sexist towards them! Oh shucks- we have midwives and no midhusbands! It's a damn, evil woman's world!

Btw- you've been out of the game a while I see. Prospective employers already DO look through a person's social media. There's a little free app you can use to enter their email address and it brings up all the social media accounts connected to them (you can do it on Google too). Plus, there's a handy little app that can find email addresses connected to that email address, so if someone uses an account as their main one, but has another email addy entered as a 'back up', it will bring up social media accounts connected to the second addy.
Many employers- even where there are no checks required for the role- will check social media accounts.

I'll just clarify- OP about a midwife calling pregnant women derogatory names. The behaviour of an individual.
**** all to do with the Chinese Credit System.

Sometimes an issue is just that- 'an' issue, not a box of tissues.

 

[funandflirty]

WTF? Funny how you've honed in on my posts and no one else's!
Part of the reason I don't bother replying any more. Have an opinion around here and you get fucking War and Peace on crack as a reply.
And in true Moriarty style, it has to come back to....men and how anything aimed at women is sexist towards them! Oh shucks- we have midwives and no midhusbands! It's a damn, evil woman's world!

Btw- you've been out of the game a while I see. Prospective employers already DO look through a person's social media. There's a little free app you can use to enter their email address and it brings up all the social media accounts connected to them (you can do it on Google too). Plus, there's a handy little app that can find email addresses connected to that email address, so if someone uses an account as their main one, but has another email addy entered as a 'back up', it will bring up social media accounts connected to the second addy.
Many employers- even where there are no checks required for the role- will check social media accounts.

I'll just clarify- OP about a midwife calling pregnant women derogatory names. The behaviour of an individual.
**** all to do with the Chinese Credit System.

Sometimes an issue is just that- 'an' issue, not a box of tissues.

I want to love and laugh at this!

I will at some point use “war and peace on crack” and think of you

 

[Moriarty]

WTF? Funny how you've honed in on my posts and no one else's!
Part of the reason I don't bother replying any more. Have an opinion around here and you get fucking War and Peace on crack as a reply.
And in true Moriarty style, it has to come back to....men and how anything aimed at women is sexist towards them! Oh shucks- we have midwives and no midhusbands! It's a damn, evil woman's world!

Btw- you've been out of the game a while I see. Prospective employers already DO look through a person's social media. There's a little free app you can use to enter their email address and it brings up all the social media accounts connected to them (you can do it on Google too). Plus, there's a handy little app that can find email addresses connected to that email address, so if someone uses an account as their main one, but has another email addy entered as a 'back up', it will bring up social media accounts connected to the second addy.
Many employers- even where there are no checks required for the role- will check social media accounts.

I'll just clarify- OP about a midwife calling pregnant women derogatory names. The behaviour of an individual.
**** all to do with the Chinese Credit System.

Sometimes an issue is just that- 'an' issue, not a box of tissues.

Because its fun

 

[CrazyCatLady]

Because its fun

Cheers! I love you too, Sweet Cheeks!

 

[Moriarty]

Cheers! I love you too, Sweet Cheeks!

Now she is sexually objectifying me.

Honestly, does my butt look big in these jeans?