MrFaustian
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Quotes Itself are great you can take a great mind or powerful leader/revolutionary of the past and contextualize the meaning for a modern day scenario or to simply emphasize a point in a debate or discussion.
The trouble these days with quotes is you need to go to the text where the quote was originally said or to explain thought initially as there is so much misinformation and fabricated rubbish on the internet and even with modernised theory in philosophy and political writings to begin with.
For example many years ago I would see nationalists, capitalists or classic liberals arguing with marxists or communists and quote Lenin ''The best way to control the opposition is lead it ourselves''
Lenin actually never said this though in theory the fabricated quote can be used as subversion is a powerful tool against an ideological enemy but did he ever say it no. Lenin was more a man of action than deep thinker i highly doubt it would of been in his Consciousness as he achieved power quickly after the slaughter of the Russian royal family and accumulating funding from a mass spree of bank robberies and financial support from crowd funding from his ethnic group and support from certain powerful oligarchs outside of Russia and by that point he had already suppressed opposition from other communist/socialist groups and nationalists by that point. It would of been natural for an idealist to seek destruction of enemies more so than have to think about subverting them.
I see people use the Churchill one mainly classical liberals and capitalists ''The Fascists or the future will call themselves anti fascists''
I do not even know how to begin with this one as the quote itself makes no sense as an anti fascist can not be a fascist. It can certainly can be authoritarian but if you have anti fascist beliefs you are against the natural order to begin with as communists and anti fascists believe in equality and egalitarianism both in the removal of class and the deconstruction of race culture and religion to begin with (modern times anyway) Did Churchill ever say this quote in any writing or speech - no he never did.
Always best to check your quotes from an original text or ask someone where they got quotes from when a discussion is ongoing just saying
I see so many people use quotes and even myself still make the mistake of quoting a misinformed or fabricated quote as there are so many of them out there on the internet
it can rubbish your original critique or make you look stupid if you don't read the original writings to begin with
The trouble these days with quotes is you need to go to the text where the quote was originally said or to explain thought initially as there is so much misinformation and fabricated rubbish on the internet and even with modernised theory in philosophy and political writings to begin with.
For example many years ago I would see nationalists, capitalists or classic liberals arguing with marxists or communists and quote Lenin ''The best way to control the opposition is lead it ourselves''
Lenin actually never said this though in theory the fabricated quote can be used as subversion is a powerful tool against an ideological enemy but did he ever say it no. Lenin was more a man of action than deep thinker i highly doubt it would of been in his Consciousness as he achieved power quickly after the slaughter of the Russian royal family and accumulating funding from a mass spree of bank robberies and financial support from crowd funding from his ethnic group and support from certain powerful oligarchs outside of Russia and by that point he had already suppressed opposition from other communist/socialist groups and nationalists by that point. It would of been natural for an idealist to seek destruction of enemies more so than have to think about subverting them.
I see people use the Churchill one mainly classical liberals and capitalists ''The Fascists or the future will call themselves anti fascists''
I do not even know how to begin with this one as the quote itself makes no sense as an anti fascist can not be a fascist. It can certainly can be authoritarian but if you have anti fascist beliefs you are against the natural order to begin with as communists and anti fascists believe in equality and egalitarianism both in the removal of class and the deconstruction of race culture and religion to begin with (modern times anyway) Did Churchill ever say this quote in any writing or speech - no he never did.
Always best to check your quotes from an original text or ask someone where they got quotes from when a discussion is ongoing just saying
I see so many people use quotes and even myself still make the mistake of quoting a misinformed or fabricated quote as there are so many of them out there on the internet
it can rubbish your original critique or make you look stupid if you don't read the original writings to begin with
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