What is gesture politics and what isn't?

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

What is gesture politics and what isn't?: Priti Patel explains GESTURE V'S IMPORTANT ​

I’VE been in politics long enough to know what’s important and what’s a mere gesture by deluded millionaire Marxists who should stick to football. Let me explain:

Taking the knee: GESTURE
As both a victim of and perpetrator of racism, I know it from both sides. And kneeling before a game isn’t going to change anything. It’s ineffectual playing at politics. So stop it. Stop it. It’s meaningless and unimportant nonsense which is why it is imperative you stop immediately.

Tweeting a picture of yourself supporting England: IMPORTANT
It is vital we work with the social media tech giants to ensure as many people get access to images of the home secretary in a boxfresh England shirt cheering on her national side as possible. Access to these pictures should be compulsory.

Speaking frankly about your experience of racism: GESTURE
Marcus Rashford and his fellow England heroes have a duty to remain silent and not ruin the nation’s memories of a successful Euros by talking about bad things. If they’d only keep quiet they’d have more racist support and would win more, logically.

Going on dawn immigration raids: IMPORTANT
It was entirely necessary for me to go on dawn immigration raids and see humans dragged from their beds to be deported. I’d lost my motivation and wasn’t even into taking my anger out on staff anymore. But those raids fired me up and now I’ve invented new asylum laws.

Securing school meals for children in poverty over holidays: GESTURE
Marcus Rashford chose, while earning an estimated hundred million pounds a week, to attack a humble, hard-working government whose leader had been very ill, just because he felt sorry for hungry kids. What he did achived nothing, which is why we opposed it so furiously.

Driving a Union flag-painted Get Brexit Done tractor through a polystyrene wall: IMPORTANT
That wall of polystyrene blocks was one of the key obstacles standing between Britain and Brexit. It wasn’t symbolic. It was literally stopping Brexit happening and then Boris drove through it and Brexit happened. Because that’s us. Not gesture politics. Getting things done.

What is gesture politics and what isn't: Priti Patel explains

I’VE been in politics long enough to know what’s important and what’s a mere gesture by deluded millionaire Marxists who should stick to football. Let me explain.

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[Wojcik]

What's important and what isn't will depend on an individual's experience. The truth is that Marxists have caused division. They've fed this whole social justice monster, and it's only going to get worse. However, there is no personal accountability of these people, as their actions have caused divisiveness and hatred among people. Look at the three English players who suffered racial abuse as an example. Would that have occurred if these Marxists didn't push their agenda? Where is the accountability for those people as well as the racists?
Gestures are stirring up divisiveness and intolerance among communities, which is what these people have done, and we have seen the result of their actions on. And you never see these people actually do anything, apart from post tweets on social media, and scream about injustice, expecting someone else to do something about it.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

What's important and what isn't will depend on an individual's experience. The truth is that Marxists have caused division. They've fed this whole social justice monster, and it's only going to get worse. However, there is no personal accountability of these people, as their actions have caused divisiveness and hatred among people. Look at the three English players who suffered racial abuse as an example. Would that have occurred if these Marxists didn't push their agenda? Where is the accountability for those people as well as the racists?
Gestures are stirring up divisiveness and intolerance among communities, which is what these people have done, and we have seen the result of their actions on. And you never see these people actually do anything, apart from post tweets on social media, and scream about injustice, expecting someone else to do something about it.

What is a 'Marxist'? And, show and example. Thanks.

 

[Percy666]

BLM is a marxist group, one that wants to abolish capitalism and destroy the police force- your precious footballers like rashford on 300 grand a week are kneeling for an anti capitalist group- how hypocritical is that 2 chickens?

Another interesting point of hypocrisy, the world cup scheduled in Qatar next year, a country of reprehensible human rites abuse and racism responsible for thousands of deaths and all manner of violations have the precious footballers attending.. strange how they are prepared to play in Qatar but all cry on twitter when someone in mongolia posts a banana pic but then you live your life online 2whales and rarely set out anywhere. The online world means much more to you than actual reality which is why you spend so many hours here as a genderless non entity

 

[SamBally]

I am not sure you will get anywhere with that particular question. Recently certain individuals claimed the centrist Sir Keir is Marxist (Nu Nu Labour), the current labour regime is Marxist and labour, in general, are Marxist.

They don't appear to understand that the mildly social democratic pledges in the Labour manifesto in 2019, common all across Europe, are not Marxist ideology and are not close to Marxism of any hue, and in general. Marx/Engels etc.

They are completely unaware that Sir Keir is currently purging Labour of the left-wing and the lengths the MSM in cahoots with Labour centrists who control the PLP went to in order to keep Corbyn and the Labour left-wing out of power. Forde report etc which probably will never be released. All evidenced with (real) DATA in various peer-reviewed studies. Source LSE. Independent (two-month study). Media Reform Coalition.

The Blairite attack dog Mandelson, now advising Sir Keir, stated, "I do something every single day, no matter how small, to undermine Corbyn".

Ask the proud striking miners from 1984, many now dead from industrial diseases, and who were smashed by Thatcher's stormtroopers, what they think. Ask the victims of crime, in crime-riddled cesspits, what they think, when they are told to ring a number to get a crime report because the police are far too busy to attend while they protect the extremely wealthy at events like Ascot.

They read a label in their right-wing rags and apply it inappropriately to anyone with opposing political ideology because they are ignorant. It makes sense of the world to them. Anyone who criticizes the ever-increasing draconian power of the state and the tools the state utilizes to remain in power is considered to be a "Marxist" and the bogeyman, the enemy.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

raging man say what?

*crying with laughter*

 

[hell2bwith76]

I can never remember Corbyn saying that he intended to "make everyone equal"...as the right wing of Labour and Tory claim . He may have tried to make people "more equal" ,a very different thing to "equal". The trouble with this forum sometimes is too many fancy words and pages copied from articles from other sources just make any ordinary person avoid reading it .

 

[Dong]

To answer the heading of this post the answer is surely the v sign...So Churchillian.

 

[Bad_Influence]

The trouble with this forum sometimes is too many fancy words and pages copied from articles from other sources just make any ordinary person avoid reading it .

Really? So you’re suggesting that ‘ordinary’ people are scared of reading? If that’s true I pity ordinary people.
Fortunately it’s not true, ordinary people welcome information and learn from it. It’s only folk who are scared that they might be forced to question their stance on a particular subject who shy away from reading.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

Once again. My OP is satire.

Can you fellas stay away from using this thread to

1: get into your never ending personal fights

2: personal attacks

3: childish name calling

Thank you in advance.

 

[ladymuck]

Once again. My OP is satire.

Can you fellas stay away from using this thread to

1: get into your never ending personal fights

2: personal attacks

3: childish name calling

Thank you in advance.

Well said. More members would join in with these discussions and we would get a broader view if our opinions were not constantly met with ridicule.

 

[hell2bwith76]

Really? So you’re suggesting that ‘ordinary’ people are scared of reading? If that’s true I pity ordinary people.
Fortunately it’s not true, ordinary people welcome information and learn from it. It’s only folk who are scared that they might be forced to question their stance on a particular subject who shy away from reading.

You ain`t "ordinary" are you ?. You are Super Human so your words have gone over my head.

Sensible answer please ...what exactly are you saying about Corbyn ,in plain English please ( if that`s possible for you !).

 

[hell2bwith76]

Once again. My OP is satire.

Can you fellas stay away from using this thread to

1: get into your never ending personal fights

2: personal attacks

3: childish name calling

Thank you in advance.

Sorry man but free Forums eh ?. Get over it .

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

 

[Moriarty]

I am not sure you will get anywhere with that particular question. Recently certain individuals claimed the centrist Sir Keir is Marxist (Nu Nu Labour), the current labour regime is Marxist and labour, in general, are Marxist.

They don't appear to understand that the mildly social democratic pledges in the Labour manifesto in 2019, common all across Europe, are not Marxist ideology and are not close to Marxism of any hue, and in general. Marx/Engels etc.

They are completely unaware that Sir Keir is currently purging Labour of the left-wing and the lengths the MSM in cahoots with Labour centrists who control the PLP went to in order to keep Corbyn and the Labour left-wing out of power. Forde report etc which probably will never be released. All evidenced with (real) DATA in various peer-reviewed studies. Source LSE. Independent (two-month study). Media Reform Coalition.

The Blairite attack dog Mandelson, now advising Sir Keir, stated, "I do something every single day, no matter how small, to undermine Corbyn".

Ask the proud striking miners from 1984, many now dead from industrial diseases, and who were smashed by Thatcher's stormtroopers, what they think. Ask the victims of crime, in crime-riddled cesspits, what they think, when they are told to ring a number to get a crime report because the police are far too busy to attend while they protect the extremely wealthy at events like Ascot.

They read a label in their right-wing rags and apply it inappropriately to anyone with opposing political ideology because they are ignorant. It makes sense of the world to them. Anyone who criticizes the ever-increasing draconian power of the state and the tools the state utilizes to remain in power is considered to be a "Marxist" and the bogeyman, the enemy.

Labour Manifesto 2019

"We will work in partnership with the workforce and their trade unions in every sector of our economy, so that they lead the transition in their industries, creating new, good-quality jobs and making sure that their extensive skills are passed on to the next generation of workers."

Note "With the work force and the unions".. Not the Private sector.
Therein lies the simple quote that brings "Power to the Workers."

Worked out fine for the Kulaks didn't it

That's after about a minute of reading, should I bother continuing?

 

[Bad_Influence]

You ain`t "ordinary" are you ?. You are Super Human so your words have gone over my head.

Sensible answer please ...what exactly are you saying about Corbyn ,in plain English please ( if that`s possible for you !).

He’s a c**t.

I hope there weren’t to many big words there for you. I tried to keep us simple so that you didn’t shy away from reading it.

 

[hell2bwith76]

" Why? Because people are greedy and only think of themselves and their nearest and dearest." says Omega.

That`s one of the truest things i`ve ever seen on these forums ! thanks for having the guts to post it .

 

[Moriarty]

Totalitarianism is a no/no, whether it's right wing or left wing.

I'd like to believe in Socialism.
Actually I would call myself a Socialist, but Socialism sadly doesn't work and doubt it will in the future.

Why? Because people are greedy and only think of themselves and their nearest and dearest.

I've come across dozens (even hundreds) of people who claimed to be socialists/communists/lefties, but once these very same people got to get a piece of the pie, their opinions swiftly changed.

They became greedy and selfish and had no interest in 'the new poor' ( category of people who have much less than what they have) .

All these 'fake lefties' are interested in, is their own ilk, their own families and friends.

They couldn't give a flying wardrobe about the new category of 'poor people'.

That my dears, is not what Socialism is about.

Appreciate your honesty.

Your first point is the most poignant, "Why? Because people are greedy and only think of themselves and their nearest and dearest."

This is why the idea of the family is under attack, the idea of social childcare.

To replace the Family, or "Nearest and Dearest" with the "Community".

Would this work, no idea, but it's a hell of an experiment that could permanently damage society for generations if tried large scale.

Are we willing to bring down the whole socio-economic model on an untested belief.

Remember the Hobbes/Rousseau argument, we still don't know which is right of if either are.

To experiment on that scale if we are wrong, would be catastrophic.

It could well be an optimist that brings down society because of the law of unintended consequences.

 

[hell2bwith76]

Appreciate your honesty.

Your first point is the most poignant, "Why? Because people are greedy and only think of themselves and their nearest and dearest."

This is why the idea of the family is under attack, the idea of social childcare.

To replace the Family, or "Nearest and Dearest" with the "Community".

Would this work, no idea, but it's a hell of an experiment that could permanently damage society for generations if tried large scale.

Are we willing to bring down the whole socio-economic model on an untested belief.

Remember the Hobbes/Rousseau argument, we still don't know which is right of if either are.

To experiment on that scale if we are wrong, would be catastrophic.

It could well be an optimist that brings down society because of the law of unintended consequences.

I think that the value of this point made by Omega has been missed merely by misreading one main point ..."ONLY" in the context of only thinking of themselves ,family etc and NOT considering others under any circumstance.