Booster jabs...

[LadyOnArooftop]

Twice I went to the Sunderland Nightingale for my jabs and twice I got lost. I went there for my booster today and got my hat-trick! yes, I got lost again. This huge hospital is just not sign-posted very well at all from the A19. It's in the middle of some huge industrial estate in the middle of nowhere, but it is nice to see it being put to some use. Anyway, I had the Oxford one for the first 2 and had no reaction to them whatsoever, not even a sore arm, nothing. So naturally I wanted the same for the booster, but I was sadly disappointed to be given the Moderna vaccine. Any of them is better than none at all, so people, if you're due a booster, go get it. It can only help...

 

[Saphire]

I am boosted too Lady.

I may be wrong, but I think I have read that only Pfizer and Moderna are being used for the boosters....the Oxford is only being offered if someone has had a problem with the other two.

 

[Moriarty]

No idea, haven't had any covid jabs.

I'll wait for the hate

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

I think I have read that only Pfizer and Moderna are being used for the boosters..

Well that explains it, but I needn't have worried, had no reaction to it, not even a sore arm thanks

No idea, haven't had any covid jabs.

I'll wait for the hate

Me? give hate to a forum reg? never! I have too much love to give for hate to make an appearance

 

[Saphire]

Like you I had the AZ for my first two jabs, pfizer for the booster.
No sore arm for any, but physically sick after the booster.
It only lasted for 12 hours, then I was fine, a small price to pay for protection.

 

[Poco_Loco]

Lockdown weakened the minds of fairly intelligant ppl I guess ,

I've never seen anything so outrageous so widely accepted ,

Its unmoving ,

 

[LadyOnArooftop]

I wonder how many people would get the vaccine if it wasn't free? Now I know Covid will have to be paid for in the long run, but i'm talking about if you had to hand over cash at the vaccination centre. I must admit I wouldn't be so quick getting myself down there. I begrudge even paying the NHS fixed dental charges, but if you're in pain - you'll pay. For a vaccine though, i'm not so sure, especially if it's going to become a regular 2 or 3 times a year thing.

 

[Altair]

I said 10 years ago that people wouldn't just want an experimental vaccine...They would DEMAND one. Boy was I right. It's very sad to see people reduced to such low levels of thought. Then again that's what putting FEAR into (Some) people does.

 

[Furbie]

I said 10 years ago that people wouldn't just want an experimental vaccine...They would DEMAND one. Boy was I right. It's very sad to see people reduced to such low levels of thought. Then again that's what putting FEAR into (Some) people does.

Crazy times, hard to believe that so many are weak and have succumb to the fear. When the science they listen to is flawed, or the truth is just plain right in front of them, I can't understand why? Maybe convenience?

 

[funandflirty]

I’ve always thought UKChat was so lucky to have such a vast and diverse group of scientists and medical experts willing to give up their time to call people out .

All any of us can do is be respectful, kind, and what you think is right for you x

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

If only entitled antivaxxers had taken the vaccines and the boosters, then the whole fucking universe wouldn't still be in the middle of a mutating plague these stupid unvaccinated cunts are spreading. Death dealers the lot of them.

They are stomping the NHS into the ground, and some, as they fill up hospitals with their unvaccinated bodies.

Fine them £1000's. Lock them up.

'Your freedom to not get vaccinated because you are a moron isn't more important than someone else's freedom to stay alive.'

 

[Saphire]

I just don't understand why a minority of people here are still wilfully refusing the vaccine.
There is miniscule risk, as there is with any vaccine.
Fully vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, so less likely to spread it. If they do catch it, they are a lot less likely to become seriously ill and take an NHS bed up....maybe a bed someone suffering from cancer could urgently need.

It's just a no brainer ...get vaccinated and boosted, if not for yourself, for everyone else.

 

[HeuristicMonkey]

I just don't understand why a minority of people here are still wilfully refusing the vaccine.
There is miniscule risk, as there is with any vaccine.
Fully vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, so less likely to spread it. If they do catch it, they are a lot less likely to become seriously ill and take an NHS bed up....maybe a bed someone suffering from cancer could urgently need.

It's just a no brainer ...get vaccinated and boosted, if not for yourself, for everyone else.

The vaccine is not a cure, it is a work-in-progress. Just because you have been jabbed - even twice - does not mean you cant catch it or spread it. In fact, it's a 'no brainer' to think you're excempt from it. Like some kind of moral marvel hero, you don't live in the real world and you personally are more likely to spread it to a family member or loved one BECAUSE you think you're safe. Also, some of us idiots that have refused the vaccine CANT take this vaccine as it may well kill us, we have to wait until a true vaccine appears that's 100% safe, so we dont, in turn, leave our loved ones behind. Although I do wish i could think like you, but unfortunately, i can't get my head up my own arse that far.

 

[Saphire]

The vaccine is not a cure, it is a work-in-progress. Just because you have been jabbed - even twice - does not mean you cant catch it or spread it. In fact, it's a 'no brainer' to think you're excempt from it. Like some kind of moral marvel hero, you don't live in the real world and you personally are more likely to spread it to a family member or loved one BECAUSE you think you're safe. Also, some of us idiots that have refused the vaccine CANT take this vaccine as it may well kill us, we have to wait until a true vaccine appears that's 100% safe, so we dont, in turn, leave our loved ones behind. Although I do wish i could think like you, but unfortunately, i can't get my head up my own arse that far.

I think you had better check your head/arse position... because most of what you have written is utter rubbish.

If anyone has a GENUINE medical reason not to be vaccinated, obviously they should be exempt, but then I have never seen anyone, here or anywhere else, argue that point.

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

Man claiming we need more time to see long-term effects of Covid vaccines, insists fortnight-old Omicron variant is ‘nothing to worry about’​

A man who has spent the best part of a year insisting that the Covid vaccine “isn’t safe because we have no long term analysis of its possible side effects”, has today announced that the fortnight-old Omicron variant is “nothing to worry about”.

Cha Tsiteuser, 44, has achieved what many epidemiologists thought impossible, by declaring Omicron ‘safe according to all the available evidence’.

He told anyone listening, and some of those who weren’t, “Omicron might be more transmissible, but it’s patently obvious to anyone who watches the same YouTube videos as me that it’s WAY less dangerous than the other variants we’ve seen.

“Two weeks of data, and 17 minutes on YouTube is all it took for me to definitively categorise the Omicron variant as ‘safe’. It’s nothing to worry about and we should all get back to normal immediately. ”

However, when asked if he would be getting vaccinated in an attempt to reduce the spread of the virus, and to reduce his own likelihood of becoming seriously ill from this, or any of the other variants, he told us, “Absolutely NOT! Are you crazy?

“That vaccine was rushed through without proper trials and has only been around for 18 months. It’s still EXPERIMENTAL! God only knows what the long-term effects will be when we’ve had the proper amount of time to look at it. If you want to be a lab rat, then go right ahead – but I’m staying well clear of it.

“If it is so safe, then why did the manufacturers get the government to make it impossible to sue them if it harms you? Huh? Answer me that!”

Cha’s friend Shelly told us, “*Sigh*. Cha is seemingly under the impression that ‘safety’ is linked to your ability to sue someone. He’s going to be horrified when he learns there is no one to sue if Covid makes him seriously ill, or even kills someone close to him.

“But the only way I’ll get him to learn that in the first place is if I put it into a YouTube video titled ‘The Covid secret the elites don’t want you to know!!’.”

via - Daily PleaseGetVaccinated

 

[Moriarty]

I just don't understand why a minority of people here are still wilfully refusing the vaccine.
There is miniscule risk, as there is with any vaccine.
Fully vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, so less likely to spread it. If they do catch it, they are a lot less likely to become seriously ill and take an NHS bed up....maybe a bed someone suffering from cancer could urgently need.

It's just a no brainer ...get vaccinated and boosted, if not for yourself, for everyone else.

"I just don't understand why a minority of people here are still wilfully refusing the vaccine."

It's simply a choice not to take an experimental jab which may or may not have long term complications we dont know about yet.
A choice which is protected under international law which denies governments the ability to impose experimental drug testing on those who don't volunteer.

"There is miniscule risk, as there is with any vaccine."

Irrelevent if your one of the people who have an adverse reaction and suffer a life changing or fatal reaction to it, either in the short term or any long term medical conditions or complications caused by this treatment in the future which may arise due to lack of long term testing.

"Fully vaccinated people are less likely to catch the virus, so less likely to spread it. If they do catch it, they are a lot less likely to become seriously ill and take an NHS bed up....maybe a bed someone suffering from cancer could urgently need."

Fully vaccinated people still have the same viral load as the unvaccinated people, they catch, spread and have symptoms at the same rate as those who are unvaccinated, the point about them becoming seriously ill is questionable for several different reasons.

1. After becoming vaccinated the bodies immune system is weakened for a period of 7-28 days depending on the individual and any virus one may catch during this period.
2. The vaccine is only a temporary stop gap measure that needs to be "boosted" which again increases the chance that the person being vaccinated may become infected with something else whilst thier immune system is weakened.
3. The vaccine may have a detrimental effect on any other medications effectiveness which someone is taking for a long term or new medical problem in the future, which we may be unaware of due to lack of long term testing data.

Those 3 points are all from peer-reviewed studies which have taken place within the last few months.
Yes there may be a short term lessening of the effects of Covid, but other viral infections may be more virulant and dangerous due to the compromised immune system which vaccines cause.

As for your Cancer point.
The NHS and PHE have both stated that the number of undiagnosed cancer cases have risen dramatically due to doctors and hospitals not diagnosing sufferers early due to "Limited Capacity", which we know is a false narrative point.
The limited capacity has little to do with the NHS or Doctors being under immense pressure, but of restrictions placed on society by a government who is either incompetent or malicious.
In a recent government statement it has been stated that doctors routine duties have been curtailed to allow for more boosters to be delivered.
There go your early cancer diagnosis, or diagnosis for any other serious medical conditions which may actually save lives.

"It's just a no brainer ...get vaccinated and boosted, if not for yourself, for everyone else."

It only becomes a no brainer if we are told of the risks, accept them and consent on very limited data of long term consequences.

Note the word consent, then think again, any medication is taken with "Informed" consent.

It means making an informed choice after reviewing the data and consenting to an experimental treatment, once consent is removed, as we have seen with NHS staff then it becomes tyrannical.

Two years ago, if someone had said "I'm going to take your rights away unless you take an experimental gene therapy for the safety of everyone" they would have been ridiculed.
Two years ago if someone said "Your going to need a pass to get into a crowded gathering" we would have laughed at the idea.

Now anyone who questions just this jab, but agree's with vaccination as a whole, someone who has taken the first and second jabs but says "Enough is enough" is classified as an anti-vaxxer.

Take a step back and think, if you still believe that this experimental jab has been as effective as it was supposed to be, why are we having this conversation?

 

[Saphire]

Moriarty, I appreciate the time and effort you put into your reply above, but tbh, I am sick and tired of defending a vaccine that has so far saved millions of lives.
You have your view, I listen to the experts, (not the government) see the data, both from here and abroad, and follow the charts which show how many people are seriously ill/dying in hospital with covid, how many are jabbed, how many are not....and the statistics speak for themselves.

 

[Moriarty]

Moriarty, I appreciate the time and effort you put into your reply above, but tbh, I am sick and tired of defending a vaccine that has so far saved millions of lives.
You have your view, I listen to the experts, (not the government) see the data, both from here and abroad, and follow the charts which show how many people are seriously ill/dying in hospital with covid, how many are jabbed, how many are not....and the statistics speak for themselves.

I would love to see those statistics Saphire.
The current ONS and NHS statistics show that those in hospital for Covid are (proportionately) mostly vaccinated and it's less than 5% of current bed space.
All cause mortality statistics are even more telling, but thats not the point.

The point I was attempting to make was about possible long term outcomes.

There is a reason any drug goes through a 4-10 year testing cyle before being marketed.

To ensure it is safe.

Yet in this case they have tested it on billions of people world wide with no long term data.

It matters very little what the immediate stats, which are problematic in themselves, show if you are looking at long term problems which may arise due to an untested mass vaccination program.

Whilst I respect anyones choice to take the jabs, I doubt the uptake would have been as great if the media and government departments like SPI-B and SPI-M were not pushing the constant fear narrative.

The policy decisions made on unreliable models have caused many more deaths than should have happened, caused immense economic harm, immense mental health problems, a massive rise in domestic and child abuse figures, divorce and suicide rises, huge amounts of money creation and hence the inflation which goes with it and finally the absolute fracturing of society based on fear.

Those are the long term effects of Covid, broken government trust, broken media trust, broken civic trust and a broken economy.

What that may bring in the future I dont know, what side effects this experimental gene therapy will have, what side effects on the mental and physical health of society, what effect the family and civic breakdown will have, what effect the economic and inflationary disaster will have on our generation and the generation being born in this lifetime or after, I dont know.

We rushed into the policy decisions and the vaccination program on known faulty modelling and never asked the question "Just because we can do it, does that mean we should?"

Parliament stays in power for 4 years, ones health risk/benefit and that of any children who may be born after this treatment, lasts a lot longer than that.

"I am sick and tired of defending a vaccine that has so far saved millions of lives." You said.

I'm not asking you to defend it, just simply pointing out the flaws in a debate.

"People care more about being right than being effective" as Stephen Fry said.

I'm just a bloke in a chat room, theres many more qualified people than me to talk about this, so why arent they?

 

[TwoWhalesInAPool]

 

[Moriarty]

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Damn Whales, you need a new meme.

You just seem to post this whenever you see something you dont like